LCAL Profit Sharing 2011 Possibility
12-20-2011, 05:01 PM
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Exactly right. Problem is, instead of realizing the problem is in the mirror and it is time to motivate the company to talk, they would just recall the MEC. I think that is why Jay is trying so hard to get it. His blastmails say he's hearing about it from the J.G. Wentworth pilots. If he doesn't come through, bye. I think he should say no and let the chips fall where they may.
Jay Pierce doesn't care about the mirror, he does just fine on 200K a year.
When we have someone who is willing to bang a fist on that desk, we might get somewhere.
12-20-2011, 09:11 PM
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12-21-2011, 05:47 AM
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From UAL Council 12
The Continental pilots received profit sharing for the year 2010 as a negotiated item within the T&PA. This was for one year only. Recently, the MEC Master Chairman, Captain Jay Pierce, advised us that the CAL MEC had directed him to negotiate profit sharing for the year 2011.
We view this as a change to the T&PA. In light of this event, our MEC Master Chairman, Captain Wendy Morse, called for the Special MEC meeting, held last week, to discuss what options we had regarding this event. In essence, if the T&PA is going to be opened for the CAL pilots, we have some requests ourselves…
We recognize that our profit sharing is the result of C2003, the bankruptcy agreement. We recognize that profit sharing for us was to mitigate the enormous pay cuts.
Captain Pierce attended our meeting and explained the direction given to him by his MEC. We held a very constructive and frank discussion with him. We made clear that while we support any efforts to put money in pilot’s pockets, we expect him to support us in our opportunity to negotiate elimination of the sunset provisions, and some changes, to the T&PA for United pilots and to put money in our pockets, as well.
We further laid out the need for increased synchronization of our efforts towards the conclusion of a JCBA.
The UAL MEC passed the following resolution:
BE IT RESOLVED, That the UAL MEC directs the Master Chairman to use all means possible to execute the T&PA extension plan as presented at the December 14, 2011 Special MEC Meeting with the following modifications:
- To define a “TA” as a tentative agreement accepted by both MECs
- To add a provision to pay United pilots at CAL hourly rates if a “TA” is not accepted by both MEC’s by March 1, 2012
- To add a provision that requires the company to settle up all MEC merger related expenses of both MECs within 60 days of submittal of completed invoices.
The reason we did not report these details last week was to allow the CAL Master Chairman to brief his MEC. The CAL MEC held a conference call on this issue Saturday, December 17. We did not want to make public the direction given at the meeting, prior to the CAL MEC being briefed.
Additionally, we wanted the MEC Officers to meet with management before going public with the report. Capt. Morse met with senior management on the evening of December 19th. We will now await a response from management on the MEC’s proposal.
There yo have it, "The Chairman" was, is or about to (at the direction of his MEC) go and negotiate an additional PS for 2011. The LUAL MEC said, no not without out our side getting additional benefits above our contract also.
So the muddy waters begin to clear.
757driver read what you want into this drama. Personally I hope the Management bites and expedites the JCBA and SLI.
The Continental pilots received profit sharing for the year 2010 as a negotiated item within the T&PA. This was for one year only. Recently, the MEC Master Chairman, Captain Jay Pierce, advised us that the CAL MEC had directed him to negotiate profit sharing for the year 2011.
We view this as a change to the T&PA. In light of this event, our MEC Master Chairman, Captain Wendy Morse, called for the Special MEC meeting, held last week, to discuss what options we had regarding this event. In essence, if the T&PA is going to be opened for the CAL pilots, we have some requests ourselves…
We recognize that our profit sharing is the result of C2003, the bankruptcy agreement. We recognize that profit sharing for us was to mitigate the enormous pay cuts.
Captain Pierce attended our meeting and explained the direction given to him by his MEC. We held a very constructive and frank discussion with him. We made clear that while we support any efforts to put money in pilot’s pockets, we expect him to support us in our opportunity to negotiate elimination of the sunset provisions, and some changes, to the T&PA for United pilots and to put money in our pockets, as well.
We further laid out the need for increased synchronization of our efforts towards the conclusion of a JCBA.
The UAL MEC passed the following resolution:
BE IT RESOLVED, That the UAL MEC directs the Master Chairman to use all means possible to execute the T&PA extension plan as presented at the December 14, 2011 Special MEC Meeting with the following modifications:
- To define a “TA” as a tentative agreement accepted by both MECs
- To add a provision to pay United pilots at CAL hourly rates if a “TA” is not accepted by both MEC’s by March 1, 2012
- To add a provision that requires the company to settle up all MEC merger related expenses of both MECs within 60 days of submittal of completed invoices.
The reason we did not report these details last week was to allow the CAL Master Chairman to brief his MEC. The CAL MEC held a conference call on this issue Saturday, December 17. We did not want to make public the direction given at the meeting, prior to the CAL MEC being briefed.
Additionally, we wanted the MEC Officers to meet with management before going public with the report. Capt. Morse met with senior management on the evening of December 19th. We will now await a response from management on the MEC’s proposal.
There yo have it, "The Chairman" was, is or about to (at the direction of his MEC) go and negotiate an additional PS for 2011. The LUAL MEC said, no not without out our side getting additional benefits above our contract also.
So the muddy waters begin to clear.
757driver read what you want into this drama. Personally I hope the Management bites and expedites the JCBA and SLI.
12-21-2011, 09:10 AM
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- To add a provision to pay United pilots at CAL hourly rates if a “TA” is not accepted by both MEC’s by March 1, 2012
The "career expectations" part of the SLI may have just changed dramatically too. We may have just traded away years of higher earnigs potential amounting to hundreds of thousands of dollars for a $5000 check. CAL pilots negotiating. It's got to be an oxymoron or something.
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12-21-2011, 09:50 AM
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That's what happens when we try an end around our own CBA. For the sake of a pittance profit sharing check, UAL could be up to our pay rates AND their work rules, while we've got still OUR workrules.
The "career expectations" part of the SLI may have just changed dramatically too. We may have just traded away years of higher earnigs potential amounting to hundreds of thousands of dollars for a $5000 check. CAL pilots negotiating. It's got to be an oxymoron or something.
The "career expectations" part of the SLI may have just changed dramatically too. We may have just traded away years of higher earnigs potential amounting to hundreds of thousands of dollars for a $5000 check. CAL pilots negotiating. It's got to be an oxymoron or something.
12-21-2011, 12:17 PM
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12-21-2011, 01:00 PM
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I think most are looking at upcoming retirements, American's bankruptcy, Delta's announced expansion and new rest requirements and are figuring United won't be downsizing. If a United pilot gets furloughed they get paid 4 and a half months then get hired at the same pay rate at Continental.
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