Coach67

You are correct that UAL pilots are covered by their own Profit sharing Plan that still exists in their CBA.

Exhibit C {of LOA 05-02 UAL CBA}
Profit Sharing
Effective Date of Profit
Sharing Plan

Profit Sharing Pool In the event that the Company has more than $10 million in Pre-Tax Earnings in the relevant calendar year, 7.5% of Pre-Tax Earnings in 2005 and 2006 and 15% of Pre-Tax Earnings in each calendar year thereafter.

Pre-Tax Earnings UAL consolidated net income as determined in accordance with GAAP, but excluding (i) consolidated federal, state and local income tax expense (or credit); (ii) unusual, special, or non-recurring charges, (iii) charges with respect to the grant, exercise or vesting of equity, securities or options granted to UAL and United employees, and (iv) expense associated with the profit sharing contributions.

Eligibility All domestic employees of UAL Corp. or United Airlines, Inc. (including all pilots) who have completed one year of service as of December 31st of the year for which Pre-Tax Earnings are being measured.

Allocation For each eligible employee, a pro rata share of the Profit Sharing Pool for each calendar year based on the ratio of the employee's Considered Earnings for the year to the aggregate amount of Considered Earnings for all eligible employees that year.


The T&PA didn't make any changes to the UAL Profit Sharing Plan. It did however change the CAL Profit Sharing Plan which had expired.


Continental Pilots will participate in the Continental Profit Sharing Plan adopted on February 17, 2010, in accordance with the terms of that Plan, for calendar year 2010.

The CAL pilots are only covered for the 2010 year not the 2011 year since their provision in their CBA expired. That's their rub as I understand it. There would be a possible violation of the Status Quo if any employee group (ie CAL pilots) were given additional compensation outside of their CBA (without agreement by the parties thru an amended T&PA). Reference the ATLAS Air pilots and Polar Air pilots in their quest for a merged JCBA.

The UAL-MEC didn't change the current Profit Sharing in the current UAL CBA which is why UAL pilots are still getting it and CAL pilots are not..

APC225

That was my understanding.

Coach67, I agree there is problem with giving one group a check beyond their CBA while everyone else has to live within the bounds of their contract. And it's not just the pilots. Anyone can make the same complaint.

It is shameful that CAL pilots voted in the contract that they did, including sunset of profit sharing, no snap backs, PBS--you name it, but they did. At some point they've got to stop working around the margins and just stand up and go get a real contract.

MXDUDE

It's shameful UCAL mgmt won't negotiate in good faith for a new contract. Both pilot groups are fighting with both hands tied behind their back, and mgmt knows this. Quit blaming labor for mgmt's lack of leadership (and for that matter ALPA's leadership). Contract 02' is a disaster, but unless you were on property here at the time move on.

APC225

I was and management's behavior is shameful--and completely expected--because their bonuses are not based on shame.

MXDUDE

" I was" ? did you find greener pastures? I don't mean to get personal, but when people Monday morning quarter back it gets to me. The last 12 years has been a very trying time for labor.

APC225

Huh? How else would you reply to "unless you were on the property at the time"?

Yea, let's move on.

MXDUDE

Are you a pilot? You refer to cal pilots as THEY. I find that strang if you were or are a CAL pilot.....

APC225

Yes it has. UAL, BK. NWA, BK. DAL BK. All had pay, benefits and work rules taken away by corporate thieves and a judge. CAL, not BK. We gave it away, and far more than the others had taken away by force. In 2010 UAL pilots got 13% more in pay and benefits than CAL pilots. DAL pilots 22% more.

And back to the thread topic, they all have contractual profit sharing while we go begging for a piece of the pie--and give away what? in the process. They have better BK contracts than we've ever had outside of BK. We are "United" now. If there were ever a time for us to get off the mat it is now.

MXDUDE

Agree to a point. True, a lot of CAL pilots are out for number 1, and spineless (it's by design/company culture). I'm not just talking about those hired in the mid 80's either. My UA contact is no where close to what he had contract wise pre 9/11. From what I understand the BK contract UA got post 9/11 was brutal and the UA boys and girls were getting ready to burn the place down if things did not improve. Somebody correct me if wrong.

It makes no sense to leave "one" employee group out of the profit sharing pool. If the shoe were on the other foot and the UA pilot side wasn't getting profit sharing because mgmt hasn't sighned a JCBA (assuming the contract has profit sharing) yet, I would hope they would receive it.

But, my eye is on the ball. JCBA #1 priority for this CAL guy. Profit sharing be damned......

APC225

Totally agree.