LCAL Profit Sharing 2011 Possibility
12-23-2011, 07:16 AM
#111
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"Unfortunately, all four of these protections are subject to expiration on New Year’s Eve, either collectively or individually, for the United pilots."
What you guys are failing to realize is the above protections have a monetary value as does the LCAL PS plan. Why is it the UALMEC feels they deserve more compensation above the current T&PA? again a pure money grab by your MEC.
The LCAL PS is pathetic and provides a fraction of the dollars provided in the LUAL plan. I am glad you guys have PS in your contract but the CALMEC is not asking for your plan, but rather inclusion in the standard LCAL plan. Your protections are worth much more than the LCAL PS.
12-23-2011, 07:19 AM
#112
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"Unfortunately, all four of these protections are subject to expiration on New Year’s Eve, either collectively or individually, for the United pilots."
What you guys are failing to realize is the above protections have a monetary value as does the LCAL PS plan. Why is it the UALMEC feels they deserve more compensation above the current T&PA? again a pure money grab by your MEC.
The LCAL PS is pathetic and provides a fraction of the dollars provided in the LUAL plan. I am glad you guys have PS in your contract but the CALMEC is not asking for your plan, but rather inclusion in the standard LCAL plan. Your protections are worth much more than the LCAL PS.
What you guys are failing to realize is the above protections have a monetary value as does the LCAL PS plan. Why is it the UALMEC feels they deserve more compensation above the current T&PA? again a pure money grab by your MEC.
The LCAL PS is pathetic and provides a fraction of the dollars provided in the LUAL plan. I am glad you guys have PS in your contract but the CALMEC is not asking for your plan, but rather inclusion in the standard LCAL plan. Your protections are worth much more than the LCAL PS.
Can you please provide the cost analysis of both please?
12-23-2011, 07:50 AM
#114
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Nope sure can't, rest assured the company has it calculated down to the dollar. Remember CAL was run by an accountant and now a lawyer... It's ALL measured.
Why do you think negotiations have gone on so long? The company is ALWAYS calculating the cost. CAL pilot staffing is so thin because they know the exact cost of 1 additional pilot. They bank on the fact that someone will pickup that open time alleviating the need to have that pilot on the payroll. Less money in pilot payroll means MORE money in their bonus/paycheck.
What's the old saying "know your enemy"...
Why do you think negotiations have gone on so long? The company is ALWAYS calculating the cost. CAL pilot staffing is so thin because they know the exact cost of 1 additional pilot. They bank on the fact that someone will pickup that open time alleviating the need to have that pilot on the payroll. Less money in pilot payroll means MORE money in their bonus/paycheck.
What's the old saying "know your enemy"...
12-23-2011, 08:04 AM
#116
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"Unfortunately, all four of these protections are subject to expiration on New Year’s Eve, either collectively or individually, for the United pilots."
What you guys are failing to realize is the above protections have a monetary value as does the LCAL PS plan. Why is it the UALMEC feels they deserve more compensation above the current T&PA? again a pure money grab by your MEC.
The LCAL PS is pathetic and provides a fraction of the dollars provided in the LUAL plan. I am glad you guys have PS in your contract but the CALMEC is not asking for your plan, but rather inclusion in the standard LCAL plan. Your protections are worth much more than the LCAL PS.
What you guys are failing to realize is the above protections have a monetary value as does the LCAL PS plan. Why is it the UALMEC feels they deserve more compensation above the current T&PA? again a pure money grab by your MEC.
The LCAL PS is pathetic and provides a fraction of the dollars provided in the LUAL plan. I am glad you guys have PS in your contract but the CALMEC is not asking for your plan, but rather inclusion in the standard LCAL plan. Your protections are worth much more than the LCAL PS.
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12-23-2011, 08:19 AM
#117
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"Unfortunately, all four of these protections are subject to expiration on New Year’s Eve, either collectively or individually, for the United pilots."
What you guys are failing to realize is the above protections have a monetary value as does the LCAL PS plan. Why is it the UALMEC feels they deserve more compensation above the current T&PA? again a pure money grab by your MEC.
The LCAL PS is pathetic and provides a fraction of the dollars provided in the LUAL plan. I am glad you guys have PS in your contract but the CALMEC is not asking for your plan, but rather inclusion in the standard LCAL plan. Your protections are worth much more than the LCAL PS.
What you guys are failing to realize is the above protections have a monetary value as does the LCAL PS plan. Why is it the UALMEC feels they deserve more compensation above the current T&PA? again a pure money grab by your MEC.
The LCAL PS is pathetic and provides a fraction of the dollars provided in the LUAL plan. I am glad you guys have PS in your contract but the CALMEC is not asking for your plan, but rather inclusion in the standard LCAL plan. Your protections are worth much more than the LCAL PS.
12-23-2011, 08:32 AM
#118
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ahh. so you agree that if CALPA gets PS, UALPA should get some additional compensation as well, just not so much? THis is a negotiation. You don't start off with what you want, you go big and get what you can. If the company doesn't play ball, then we all keep the status quo. Ok by me.
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The value of PS to me is about $2000, the value of the "furlough" clause to the last guy on the UAL list? the value of block hour protection when the old UAL 757's are removed from the fleet?
I am glad your MEC is trying to go big, but really what your "chairperson" is doing is torpedoing the whole T&PA. It's time for a shift in thinking, your MEC thinks they're dealing with UAL mgt. I've said it before, the company doesn't value or respect pilots, we are a cost center, period. They speak only in dollars. You have witnessed it first hand, safety is for sale at the new United
12-23-2011, 09:15 AM
#120
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CAL's right to PS expired. It's gone. Just because you had it in years past means nothing today. Yes, it sucks. But it is your contract.
Your MEC and MC are the ones who began "a pure money grab" by going after PS because it is still in the UAL contract. For your group to get something mid stream, during contract negotiations is the grab. The UAL MEC responded buy saying what's good the goose is good for the gander, after CAL's move.
Let me add that I have nothing against you guys getting PS, the more you can squeeze out of mgmt the better. But, UCAL cannot arbitrarily give you guys something outside of the contract without opening a huge can of worms. There is no way if the situation was reversed that you guys wouldn't feel the same way. And that is what all the fuss is about.
I think perhaps this is a tactical move by the UAL MEC (and perhaps BOTH) to put additional pressure on the company to get the JCBA moving. If they pony up for you guys, then they will create havoc over here. And if they are forced to give US additional compensation somewhere, they'll incite the CAL guys. We need to do something to get el hefe moving.
PS is nice, but it's crap. As cyclical and as capitol intensive this industry is, and with creative accounting profits come and go like cheap tarts. I want my profit sharing meted out every two weeks in the form of decent wages that I can BANK on. I want it in some form of retribution for the theft of my pension and all the BS we've endured since 9/11.
Again, not trying to incite more fecal tossing. But to say that the UAL MEC is using this as a money grab is disingenuous.
I'll be happy to buy you a beer after walking the picket line.
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