EWRflyr

I have to ask you to clarify the bold part above. What do you mean substantially less than UAL pilots will receive? Do you mean in terms of profit sharing amounts or do you mean if we get profits sharing and they get all the other things they are asking for so CAL pilots can get profit sharing?

If it is the latter, I would agree that they get a big trade off for "allowing" the company to throw some small dollars our way.

However, if it is the former, my question is are the UAL pilots entitled to a higher portion of the profit sharing pool than the other employee groups per their contract or are UAL pilots entitled to the same profit sharing that all others are? Unless something is in the UAL contract, I thought all employees are entitled to their equal share of the profit sharing plan (i.e. ratio of your salary to the total of all salaries). If we get added to that pool, we are all on the same footing. I don't see how we would get substantially less or something different.

ualratt

Quarreling over a bowl of beans!! And you folks want respect? Talk about reaching a new low...

SOTeric

Agreed. Therefore, I repeat....

FLY THE FRIGGIN CONTRACT, NO MORE NO LESS. NO SIDE LETTERS, NO TPAs, NO WORMING AROUND THE CBA TO MAKE DEALS.

IF UAL WANTS SOMETHING, GIVE US A JCBA.

Regularguy

Come on guys and gals do you really think the move by the LUAL MEC is really about getting something because "Mr. Chairman" was trying to get PS? Read between the lines, the status quo will be broken if LCAL gets a contract improvement and will result in law suits, a further delayed SLI and the loss of any associated economic benefit from it.

I see management has four options.
1. Do nothing and open bases in DEN, ORD and IAH and drag out the JCBA and SLI as the LUAL TPA sunsets.
2. Give LCAL PS and risk the law suits which will happen.
3. Give LCAL PS and give LUAL at least LCAL (or something close to it) pay increase and extend the TPA.
4. Expedite the JCBA and SLI.

The question is which one will provide the UAL the best economics long term option? I'm hoping the fourth.

Guys and Gals I hope the LUAL MEC Chair, her successor and LUAL MEC Members have made the point to "Mr. Chairman," "no more back door contract improvements" to either LCAL or LUAL, let's move forward together!

Regularguy

SOTeric:

"FLY THE FRIGGIN CONTRACT"

At least at LUAL all the pilots I know are flying the contract, don't know about my brothers and sisters at LCAL.

13n144e

Wow. You sure have changed your tone from that post you started this thread with. Now your threatening lawsuits, etc. So which is it?

13n144e

No. Profit sharing plans are not all the same. The UAL pilots have a higher contractual amount, as did previous plans the CAL pilots took part in. The plan that we're discussing is just the basic plan that all employee groups take part in. Which is my point; profit sharing may not necessarily be a contractual item and as such, may not be a deviation from the status quo. After the UAL MEC's announcement, I think it's kind of a moot point now...

Regularguy

13n144e

What are you smokin there in Guam?

You said: "Now your threatening lawsuits, etc. So which is it? "

When did I ever threaten law suits? Dude you have to get with the program and quit just spouting your opinion and read what is going on at your (our) airline.

I want the LCAL guys and gals to get the PS but, the LUAL MEC has pointed out it would mean "status-quo" is broken and that means management has to put up to all and include LUAL not just the LCAL PS. If they, management give LCAL and leaves out LUAL then it is a law suit. So conclude this, as you island hop, it would be better to expedite the whole JCBA and SLI rather than hassle with all the side letters and potential fall out.

Please stop the accusations and understand I was reporting rumors, which proved to be for the most part true. I also posted we would be waiting to see the response from the MECs, (read the letter posted from council 12 of LUAL) which we now have.

Now we are waiting for UAL Management's response to both LUAL and LCAL.

So 13n144e please pay attention.

SOTeric

As one watching from the sidelines, that's good to hear. Although, both sides have their greedy bastages I'm sure.

Now if both sides can just FLY THE CONTRACT, there would be automatic leverage, reduced bickering on both sides, and we would have a JCBA faster.

They'd be no need for these side letters, TPAs, PS or not to PS etc. The faster we can get it to an arbitrator and get an impasse the better!

Why continue to fight over scraps?

13n144e

Maybe you should pay attention. This is the third time I've addressed this point, but I'll repeat it for you; profit sharing may not necessarily be a contractual item and as such, may not be a deviation from the status quo. If you have a response to this, make it already. But before you get your panties in a knot (too late apparently) understand that a great many CAL pilots (myself included, to an extent) agree with your conclusion that we should not be wasting any time or capital negotiating anything other than a JCBA. We certainly should not be making any deals regarding an "expedited" SLI as Wendy has proposed.