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7-B. Job Opportunities.
(i) If either Continental or United intends to hire new Pilots, it will first offer
employment to fill such positions in seniority order to Pilots on furlough from the
other Airline. Acceptance or rejection of such an offer or failure to qualify will
not affect a Pilot’s recall rights or placement on the Integrated Seniority List
(which shall be based upon his seniority position at the Pilot’s originating
Airline). A Pilot accepting an offer under this provision will be subject to the
normal background and employment requirements of the employing Airline. The
Pilot will be an employee of the employing Airline, within the applicable ALPA
council for that Airline, but will not be required to serve or complete a probation
period. Such Pilot will be paid the greater of (1) the actual hourly pay rate he
was receiving on the date of his furlough, or (2) the hourly pay rate to which his
years of service at the employing Airline otherwise entitles.(ii) No Pilot shall be entitled to more than two (2) offers of employment pursuant
to this Section 7-B. If a Pilot declines the first offer, the employing Airline will
not contact him for a second offer until he provides at least thirty (30) days notice
to the employing Airline in writing of his desire to re-enter the hiring process. At
that time he will be eligible for the next available offer in seniority order.
(iii) Pilots employed pursuant to this Section 7-B will exercise seniority for all
purposes at the employing Airline in the seniority order of their originating
Airline but junior to all Pilots who were on the seniority list of the employing
Airline prior to the Merger Agreement Date. Upon implementation of the ISL
Pilots will exercise seniority pursuant to their position on the ISL. All Pilots hired
by the employing Airline after the Merger Agreement Date who are not Pilots
employed pursuant to this Section 7-B will exercise their seniority for all purposes
junior to all Pilots who were on either seniority list prior to the Merger Agreement
Date.
(iv) Notwithstanding Section 27, Part 2.A.2, B.2 or C.2 of the Continental CBA, all
Pilots on either the United Pilots’ or Continental Pilots’ Seniority List as of the
Effective Date of this Agreement employed by Continental shall be eligible for
Medical, Dental and Vision Plan coverage on the Pilot’s first day of Active Service

gettinbumped

As CAL feels they need pilots, the other option would be to hire off the street. This is what the company would prefer to do. I agree that it's going to be a total cluster when the TPA expires, but it would have been worse without this provision. This is a GOOD thing for the furloughees, many of whom are friends. Those that don't think so are under no obligation to take the position offered.

pilotgolfer

Here are a few questions that come to mind:

1. What are the chances of getting longevity credit for furlough time ala Delta when the new contract comes around?

2. When a new contract is eventually signed, will guys out on furlough (voluntary or otherwise) be included in any signing / ratification bonus?

3. Would we fall under CAL's B plan or continue to be funded under UAL's B/C Plan?

4. Is vacation accrual also include UAL longevity?



I would like to be on one list or the other when it comes time to vote on a TA.

Daytripper

I agree that this should have been done this past spring. I wouldn't be surprised if this wasn't a bone tossed our way in lieu of the door paperings. I hope the 200 or so bring a strong desire to be treated and compensated as pilots for the number one carrier in the world. You're going to find out in short order just how bad the reserve policy is. Hang in there.....and welcome. Hope to fly with some of you this fall.

Lambourne

Hate to break the news to you....But CAL and UAL are part of the same company. If this was not a recall there would be interviews required and I suspect some would not be hired. Just the law of averages and attitudes.

You can turn your back on the opportunity. This is one of the few things ALPA was able to secure. Would you have rather had newhires off the street sitting in those seats while our furloughs while away waiting on mother UAL? Maybe you could go kick your dog and make you day happier. Let the guys that want the job over what they are doing now enjoy something. I bet you are real fun guy on New Years Eve.

L

Bandera89

Such Pilot will be paid the greater of (1) the actual hourly pay rate he
was receiving on the date of his furlough, or (2) the hourly pay rate to which his years of service at the employing Airline otherwise entitles.

As far as I see it, this means your UAL pay rate or your new longevity at CAL (employing Airline). Please tell me I am wrong..

APC225

Cynical, but I wonder if it is a hardening of their no-need-for-laber-to-be-on-board position due to the door paperings. C02 was passed partly by getting very junior pilots to believe that they would get furloughed again. Why not get a bunch of just-furloughed pilots back on the property then threaten to send them right back to the street if their substandard proposal is voted down. They only need 50%+1. This plus the $250K offered for early retirement might get them there.

kc135driver

L-
And I suppose Eastern/Continental were the same company as well? I guess we can just call back the negotiators and skip SLI altogether while were at it because its over, were all part of the same company now, we've "recalled" our furloughees? Maybe that is how you see it, but as a double furloughee, one paragraph in a Transition Agreement does not make for integration.

They are going to hire off the street anyway when the time comes. But seriously, I'm happy if some of us are able to utilize this job opportunity. Is it better then a lump on the head, yes. However in the meantime, we need to quit selling this as something it is NOT. All it does is give the company permission to continue cannibalizing of the UAL side in favor of the CAL side. Somehow I think the AFA understands this better then we do.

KC

Monkeyfly

Question for any UA furloughee:

What year longevity were you last furloughed from? And what Year were you hired?

Next Question for everyone:

Any guesses on how many callls it will take to get 200 UA pilots?
(Sr. involuntary furlough number is 6443(8/99), last on list is 7666
(3/08))

My guess: 800 / or #7243 on the list (8/00)

gettinbumped

Not sure what you are talking about here. CAL and EAL didn't merge. The AFA's deal is different because almost everyone on furlough was senior and voluntary.

I actually think it will STOP some of the cannibalization, as pilots will continue to hold recall rights at UAL. When recalled there, they will need to be retrained. This is why CAL held off as long as they possibly could (according to CAL pilots) to "recall". It would be much easier for them to just get new hires on the property.