100-200 UAL furloughees to CAL
07-17-2011, 05:18 AM
#101
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Originally Posted by jsled
reserves get 14 hours block to block rest in domicile. this cannot be waived by pilot, but can be waived by crew sched if "only rsv available"
07-17-2011, 06:22 AM
#102
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IIRC, if only RSV available you still get 12 hours in domicile.
07-17-2011, 06:29 AM
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They would call, and say you are now short call listed. Basically giving you 14-17 hours to get to the airport. (10-13 hour call out (long call) depending on the situation, plus the 4 hour time to be at the airport if they used you).
07-17-2011, 11:54 AM
#104
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5 yr F/O pay at CAL is $84/hour on a 737-700. That is horrible! Please up your expectations and your self-worth as a professional pilot. We all should be paid better at the largest airline in the world. I know that with your mil retirement you're thinking to yourself that you'll be making good coin with the combined salary. However, your mil retirement should have no bearing on what you are paid by the largest airline in the world. We should be on par with SWA pay which APC posts as 126/hr at year 5. CAL is a full 33% lower than SWA. This next contract needs to be not necessarily industry leading but at least competitive. Competitive would be within 5-10% of the PAX industry leader in pay. Just my 2 cents. Congratulations on your military retirement -- thanks for serving!
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I was looking at going to SkyWest for year 2 pay, $37 per hour, until this happened. So I know I am worth more, but it isnt what you are worth, it is what they are willing to pay.
07-17-2011, 12:07 PM
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I agree that my military retirment pay should not be factored in to my expectations of my worth. I have applied to FEDEX, SW, Dynamic, L3, Pueblo IFS, RPAs, Southern Air, GS job as Sim IP and anyone else hiring. Not getting much of a response. If you don't get a call from a major player, you are going to make low wages. I have 20 yrs flying in the AF, not one black mark on my record. I have 4,500tt, 3,500 pic, 2,500 IP, all in jet traininers, fighters, and with UAL. I have tons of contacts for all these jobs, but not much they can do when SW is calling 100 out of 7000 and FedEx is hiring 20 per month out of a pool of 10,000. Even if I am in the top 5% it will take me a year to get called.
I was looking at going to SkyWest for year 2 pay, $37 per hour, until this happened. So I know I am worth more, but it isnt what you are worth, it is what they are willing to pay.
I was looking at going to SkyWest for year 2 pay, $37 per hour, until this happened. So I know I am worth more, but it isnt what you are worth, it is what they are willing to pay.
I'm not judging you or anyone, just showing another side.
07-17-2011, 12:46 PM
#106
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We have two aggressive pickup windows: for long-call A reserves 0900-1100 each day for the next day. For short-call B reserves, 1200-1300 each day. Can only pick up trips which match your days of availability unless you are available 5-6 days then you can pick up 4-day trips. An A reserve picking up for his first reserve day after days off is released or not phone liable until checkin on that first day. The B-reserve can pick up for his first day BUT crew scheduling can and often does assign a call block prior to your show time.
Originally Posted by EWRflyr
ABSOLUTELY NOT TRUE! There have been months on reserve where I NEVER talked to crew scheduling. I used the aggressive pickup window to choose the trips I wanted. You can avoid talking to scheduling as a reserve pretty easily if you are proactive, check CCS as part of your normal trip routines, etc.
07-17-2011, 01:25 PM
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I agree that my military retirment pay should not be factored in to my expectations of my worth. I have applied to FEDEX, SW, Dynamic, L3, Pueblo IFS, RPAs, Southern Air, GS job as Sim IP and anyone else hiring. Not getting much of a response. If you don't get a call from a major player, you are going to make low wages. I have 20 yrs flying in the AF, not one black mark on my record. I have 4,500tt, 3,500 pic, 2,500 IP, all in jet traininers, fighters, and with UAL. I have tons of contacts for all these jobs, but not much they can do when SW is calling 100 out of 7000 and FedEx is hiring 20 per month out of a pool of 10,000. Even if I am in the top 5% it will take me a year to get called.
I was looking at going to SkyWest for year 2 pay, $37 per hour, until this happened. So I know I am worth more, but it isnt what you are worth, it is what they are willing to pay.
I was looking at going to SkyWest for year 2 pay, $37 per hour, until this happened. So I know I am worth more, but it isnt what you are worth, it is what they are willing to pay.
07-17-2011, 01:55 PM
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I prefer to think of it as what I am willing to do the job for. If they don't want to pay me what I think I am worth then they can, and probably will, find someone else to do it cheaper. Which is why I refuse to take the Skywest/Republic/etc... Jet for Job offer. I believe I am worth more than that and refuse to outsource myself.
Thing is that the $37/hr is $4/hr more than UAL and $6/hr more than CAL pays. This is WRONG, and it our own fault. We should never let the ALPA seniority system become that skewed. Under this logic we should have refused our UAL jobs in the first place on this bases as well.
We are the ones that have continued to devalue pilots. Management has been all too happy to let us do this.
We need to fix this and start building ALPA pay scales from the ground up.
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07-17-2011, 03:00 PM
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It's true that we are own worst enemy, but if "we" don't take the job, there are thousands who would. CFI's willing to take a pay raise to fly a jet. RJ pilots willing to take the starting pay at CAL. Other pilots willing to cross a picket line to advance their career. If everyone is not together when refusing poor jobs and pay, it won't work. I don't have an answer. I can only do my part.
07-17-2011, 04:46 PM
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I turned it down too, but just stop and think about it...
Thing is that the $37/hr is $4/hr more than UAL and $6/hr more than CAL pays. This is WRONG, and it our own fault. We should never let the ALPA seniority system become that skewed. Under this logic we should have refused our UAL jobs in the first place on this bases as well.
We are the ones that have continued to devalue pilots. Management has been all too happy to let us do this.
We need to fix this and start building ALPA pay scales from the ground up.
SP
Thing is that the $37/hr is $4/hr more than UAL and $6/hr more than CAL pays. This is WRONG, and it our own fault. We should never let the ALPA seniority system become that skewed. Under this logic we should have refused our UAL jobs in the first place on this bases as well.
We are the ones that have continued to devalue pilots. Management has been all too happy to let us do this.
We need to fix this and start building ALPA pay scales from the ground up.
SP
AND there is more than one type of aircraft to fly at UAL/CAL. And there were only a few classes that didn't make it to second year pay at UAL. So I am not understanding the comparison here?
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