Originally Posted by APC225

CAL's is not for commuters. The pilots didn't have any long call until the most recent contract so they didn't even really know what to ask for (apparently). Nine-hour callout is not a commuting callout. It is simply 24 hours on call and you go into FAA min rest when called. That's it. Just min rest. 13 hours actually gives you time to commute.



CAL's are mostly short call with a 3-hour to push callout. This really puts it down to a 2 to 2 1/2 hour call out because you have to get to ops to checkin on the company computer, get your flight kit, check vfile, etc and block out 3 hours after the call. It's a very short leash. Assigned at 1500 or after you block it, whichever is later.



Reserves can pickup after 9am the day before, not 28 hours. And a reserve cannot do anything without talking to cs. You always have to talk to cs for anything as a reserve. It is one of the things that make you feel under their thumb. One cs interprets one way, another cs another. The application of "policies" in the blank areas of the contract can be wide.



Eight days fixed. Pilot can move them but if he does they become unfixed, so not a good idea to move them.



Pretty much same, except 24 hours off can be anywhere, for anybody.



Ha! You've got to be kidding. No wonder negotiations stalled when they got to scheduling section. CAL is 10 (11 in EWR) min for both lineholders and reserve. One way cs can get around even this for reserves is to keep adding to the trip so that even though it overnights in a domicle, since it part of a trip, you don't get in domicle rest (but they do have to give you a hotel).

For the lineholder if he doesn't put a larger number in his PBS monthly bid, PBS will give him a redeye, min rest in base, and then start another trip that night. Block in at 6am, block out at 4pm. Fun, fun, everyone's looking forward to the weekend, weekend.

If I read the UAL contract correctly, UAL pilots must have 16 hours no duty before a redeye. CAL works pilots out to the west coast in the morning, min rest, and then redeye back that night--with another leg after the redeye at times. In fact, as long as it doesn't exceed the duty day, CAL will work right into a redeye (late IAH-PHX, one hour on the ground, redeye).



If only we can hang on to this in the JCBA. It might actually cause some seat movement. There are a lot of FOs parked in senior spots because no one wants to sit reserve.

When the company said they were going to take the best of both worlds in the JCBA, I'm sure "best" to them was CAL's work rules. I'm glad it's not going that way. Imagining QOL at CAL is like trying to imagine military basic training before you go. You really can't comprehend what you've gotten into until you're in the middle of it. If the unions can't get UAL workrules, and much better I hope, in the JCBA it's going to be a miserable 10 years for a lot of people.

You simply can't imagine.

Originally Posted by gettinbumped

Wow. Thanks for the highlights. That sounds HORRIBLE. Hopefully the negotiating committee is standing firm on UAL's reserve policy!

Originally Posted by Bugs

I am about 700 to 800 down the list on seniority for UAL. Am just retiring from the military and will take a recall if offered. I thought as a recalled UAL pilot to CAL, we would keep our seniority for pay purposes. I think I remember reading that somewhere. So, year 4-5 pay at CAL not that bad when compared to other options. Can anyone find any reference to starting out at first year pay? thanks.

Originally Posted by Thunder1

5 yr F/O pay at CAL is $84/hour on a 737-700. That is horrible! Please up your expectations and your self-worth as a professional pilot. We all should be paid better at the largest airline in the world. I know that with your mil retirement you're thinking to yourself that you'll be making good coin with the combined salary. However, your mil retirement should have no bearing on what you are paid by the largest airline in the world. We should be on par with SWA pay which APC posts as 126/hr at year 5. CAL is a full 33% lower than SWA. This next contract needs to be not necessarily industry leading but at least competitive. Competitive would be within 5-10% of the PAX industry leader in pay. Just my 2 cents. Congratulations on your military retirement -- thanks for serving!

Thunder1

Originally Posted by jsled

reserve pick up option: allows you to pick up a trip in open time 28 hrs prior to departure on the computer without crew sched involvement.

Originally Posted by APC225

Reserves can pickup after 9am the day before, not 28 hours.

Originally Posted by dumpcheck

Many thanks for the reserve info. I did not realize the CAL rules were so much more onerous. Since most of us UAL furloughees would be commuters, I think many will pass. It sounds like reserve at CAL pretty much requires a crashpad and being within 2 hours of the airport anytime you are on a day on. The fact that they can then involuntarily move a third of your days off is an insult. I think that's a deal-breaker for me...