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#31
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Nov 2010
Posts: 3,071
I fully understand the concept of negotiations. But it's not about me. It's about the comments you made above which shows you as a company apologist.
#32
Originally Posted by Regularguy
I have my desires also, but I will leave it up to the JNC and MEC to hand us a contract they believe we should vote for. I don't want one of those, "here is the Company's best offer, vote NO for us."
#33
Here is a good example. ALPA, "Training by bulletin". All the hoopla and chest beating about this program. The LEC emails telling everyone NOT to do the training. Then when the MEC finds out the legality of the issue they have to do an about face. So ALPA wants to do this in a classroom. However, if the company were doing this in a classroom I can guarantee most of the ALPAites would be moaning and groaning about having to attend a class that could have covered everything in a bulletin. I still remember the fuel seminar and have heard the same thing about flywize. The problem with ALPA now is that they have become Chicken Little.
Between the infighting and and luminaries of ignorance and pompousness that inhabit the ALPA offices I have lost a great deal of respect and faith in it as a whole. The biggest problem I have is that I am paying a great deal of cash to ALPA each year for very little in return. Where is the ROI for being an ALPA member now?
The double standards that exist among those most loyal to ALPA is actually quick entertaining. The chest beaters and thumpers probably had their CBT's done well in advance of telling everyone else NOT to do theirs. I don't get nearly the rhetoric from the company as I do the ALPAites. So if that is why you think I am a company apologist then so be it. Let the JNC do their job and if you don't like what is presented vote NO. If it passes and you are a NO voter then please resign. No sense staying here if you are not happy with the majority. Might as well find a utopia for yourself.
L
#34
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Nov 2010
Posts: 3,071
Not apologizing for anyone. I think the company and ALPA are el'effe'ed up.
Here is a good example. ALPA, "Training by bulletin". All the hoopla and chest beating about this program. The LEC emails telling everyone NOT to do the training. Then when the MEC finds out the legality of the issue they have to do an about face. So ALPA wants to do this in a classroom. However, if the company were doing this in a classroom I can guarantee most of the ALPAites would be moaning and groaning about having to attend a class that could have covered everything in a bulletin. I still remember the fuel seminar and have heard the same thing about flywize. The problem with ALPA now is that they have become Chicken Little.
Between the infighting and and luminaries of ignorance and pompousness that inhabit the ALPA offices I have lost a great deal of respect and faith in it as a whole. The biggest problem I have is that I am paying a great deal of cash to ALPA each year for very little in return. Where is the ROI for being an ALPA member now?
The double standards that exist among those most loyal to ALPA is actually quick entertaining. The chest beaters and thumpers probably had their CBT's done well in advance of telling everyone else NOT to do theirs. I don't get nearly the rhetoric from the company as I do the ALPAites. So if that is why you think I am a company apologist then so be it. Let the JNC do their job and if you don't like what is presented vote NO. If it passes and you are a NO voter then please resign. No sense staying here if you are not happy with the majority. Might as well find a utopia for yourself.
L
Here is a good example. ALPA, "Training by bulletin". All the hoopla and chest beating about this program. The LEC emails telling everyone NOT to do the training. Then when the MEC finds out the legality of the issue they have to do an about face. So ALPA wants to do this in a classroom. However, if the company were doing this in a classroom I can guarantee most of the ALPAites would be moaning and groaning about having to attend a class that could have covered everything in a bulletin. I still remember the fuel seminar and have heard the same thing about flywize. The problem with ALPA now is that they have become Chicken Little.
Between the infighting and and luminaries of ignorance and pompousness that inhabit the ALPA offices I have lost a great deal of respect and faith in it as a whole. The biggest problem I have is that I am paying a great deal of cash to ALPA each year for very little in return. Where is the ROI for being an ALPA member now?
The double standards that exist among those most loyal to ALPA is actually quick entertaining. The chest beaters and thumpers probably had their CBT's done well in advance of telling everyone else NOT to do theirs. I don't get nearly the rhetoric from the company as I do the ALPAites. So if that is why you think I am a company apologist then so be it. Let the JNC do their job and if you don't like what is presented vote NO. If it passes and you are a NO voter then please resign. No sense staying here if you are not happy with the majority. Might as well find a utopia for yourself.
L
We all have our issues with ALPA. Yours it would appear, are stronger. Any chance you were recently an LEC Sec/Treas?
Personal attacks do not make a valid argument and your closing sentences make no sense. If I were to vote no and 51% said yes, that, is the beauty of the union. We all pretty much want the same thing, the difference is how we get there.
#35
Lamb, the other consideration could be you leaving UA for a company that doesn't have ALPA representation on their property. Wouldn't you want to try a different financial advisor to get you a better return on your money??
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