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04-07-2012, 08:07 AM
#161
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Schedulers can/do double pump reserves, give them new assignments immediately after their current assignment ends, move their days off, etc.
They can also unilaterally change a lineholder's schedule prior to it starting, as per section 25, part 8, para B.
The real catchall, however, is in section 25, part 13 (open time assignment), para B. The last option for the company, number 7, is:
After the above steps have been exhausted, a pilot may be used in a lower Status.
Option 7 gives the company the power to do whatever it takes to make the schedule work.
Option 7 gives the company the power to do whatever it takes to make the schedule work.
04-07-2012, 08:55 AM
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You're looking at only one of several tools available to the schedulers.
Schedulers can/do double pump reserves, give them new assignments immediately after their current assignment ends, move their days off, etc.
They can also unilaterally change a lineholder's schedule prior to it starting, as per section 25, part 8, para B.
The real catchall, however, is in section 25, part 13 (open time assignment), para B. The last option for the company, number 7, is:
Schedulers can/do double pump reserves, give them new assignments immediately after their current assignment ends, move their days off, etc.
They can also unilaterally change a lineholder's schedule prior to it starting, as per section 25, part 8, para B.
The real catchall, however, is in section 25, part 13 (open time assignment), para B. The last option for the company, number 7, is:
After the above steps have been exhausted, a pilot may be used in a lower Status.
Option 7 gives the company the power to do whatever it takes to make the schedule work.
Option 7 gives the company the power to do whatever it takes to make the schedule work.
The response to that is, "I don't feel comfortable or safe in that seat and I need X number of hours in the sim to be comfortable enough to operate in that position. Once I am no longer needed in that position, I will also require X number of hours in the sim to regain proficiency in my previous position. ".
04-07-2012, 09:11 AM
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The response to that is, "I don't feel comfortable or safe in that seat and I need X number of hours in the sim to be comfortable enough to operate in that position. Once I am no longer needed in that position, I will also require X number of hours in the sim to regain proficiency in my previous position. ".
And yes, it also allows the company to put CAs in the FO seat.
Edit: Just as LUAL scope language needs to be tightened in the JCBA, so does LCAL's scheduling language. Both current contracts have weak points.
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04-07-2012, 10:47 AM
#164
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That's when I trump it with....."Fatigued".
If I'm "Not Available", I'm sure as heck gonna be "Fatigued". Show me either way, not gonna be there.
Notice the word "Refuse" was never spoken??
BTW....The PBS Bid Range for the B756 outta IAH in May is starting to get a bit "high". If this is only "spring time bracketing", I can't WAIT to see what summer brings to this fleet/base. The "F" word mentioned above will be spoken quite often this summer if things continue along this staffing model.
04-07-2012, 11:01 AM
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04-07-2012, 12:21 PM
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Was scheduled to fly 61+ Hours in ten days..... How does that happen?? It's called PBS my freind.....the gift that keeps giving. Was slotted to fly 3 same day in/out "back-back-back" SA Trips. Didn't see myself doing the 3rd trip, thus called "Fatigued".
As far as company wide data, not my "yob" Andy. I show up, fly when I supposed to (assuming I'm fit to fly & not sick/fatigued), and enjoy my QOL/time off. I'm sure CAL-ALPA can help you out with that.
Again, As far as JM'ed, it's happened 3 times.....ALL three times, "Unavailable" has been my response, and never question.
Anything else?
04-07-2012, 12:40 PM
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A small data point, have fatg'd three times in '12 (so far), four times in '11,
all tired on edge of the contract/FAR's situations.
0 JRM in the last decade, SL whenever sick, and the reluctance of the Co.
to complete a non-bankruptcy contract has drastically elevated my stress levels.....
No excuses....
all tired on edge of the contract/FAR's situations.
0 JRM in the last decade, SL whenever sick, and the reluctance of the Co.
to complete a non-bankruptcy contract has drastically elevated my stress levels.....
No excuses....
04-07-2012, 01:32 PM
#168
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Why have you chosen to be confrontational on this topic? Was that necessary?
04-07-2012, 06:10 PM
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Having lived under L-CAL POS'02 as a line holder since it's inception, I am keenly aware as to what the contract holds (or lack there of), and what pilots are entitled to/or expected as far a JM assignments are concerned for line holders.
I was/am merely (RE)stating the fact that it's NOT the line holders responsibility of having to be "available" at (S)Crew Scheduling's beckin call......Especially since Mgt's idea of 'proper staffing' is a complete joke as evidence of all the CCS V-JM, or straight out JM'ings on those rare days when the "VJM Winners" don't bite.
Honestly, if your toes felt stepped in this exchange, it's not my intentions.
04-08-2012, 09:18 AM
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Don't believe I was being confrontational.
Having lived under L-CAL POS'02 as a line holder since it's inception, I am keenly aware as to what the contract holds (or lack there of), and what pilots are entitled to/or expected as far a JM assignments are concerned for line holders.
I was/am merely (RE)stating the fact that it's NOT the line holders responsibility of having to be "available" at (S)Crew Scheduling's beckin call......Especially since Mgt's idea of 'proper staffing' is a complete joke as evidence of all the CCS V-JM, or straight out JM'ings on those rare days when the "VJM Winners" don't bite.
Honestly, if your toes felt stepped in this exchange, it's not my intentions.
Having lived under L-CAL POS'02 as a line holder since it's inception, I am keenly aware as to what the contract holds (or lack there of), and what pilots are entitled to/or expected as far a JM assignments are concerned for line holders.
I was/am merely (RE)stating the fact that it's NOT the line holders responsibility of having to be "available" at (S)Crew Scheduling's beckin call......Especially since Mgt's idea of 'proper staffing' is a complete joke as evidence of all the CCS V-JM, or straight out JM'ings on those rare days when the "VJM Winners" don't bite.
Honestly, if your toes felt stepped in this exchange, it's not my intentions.
I think that LUAL pilots are taking too many shots at LCAL pilots with respect to how much they fly. The huge differences in the contracts is the reason for that. For instance, you pointed out that you were scheduled by PBS for 61+ hours in 10 days. That's unheard of at LUAL.
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