Once United

I'm here to amuse, but not today. I'm going to Houston to look at some real estate - I may be moving when they move the 747 to IAH. Get rid JP then we can go after the other stuff.

volo

Finally something that makes sense. Enjoy your trip and say hello to that prick JP for me

SKLJ

Because you would say that to his face too, right, Vinnie? Such a DH - to use letters you understand, a very small DH you are.

1257

Regardless of if ALPA or the company created JRM, it is now a two way street.
Obviously with the frequency of it's use, it's not an irregular ops tool as created (unless we're perpetually irregular)
but a std. ops planning tool for the company full time to save money and reduce manpower. Because of that,
it can also be a tool for the pilots to stop helping the company.
Simply saying it's in the contract is what I've heard guys say to use it, that's no excuse.
They know exactly what they're doing and how it affects the rest of us.
Oh, and I'm not going to my reps. about it since like you said, they are playing the system to their selfish advantage too.
It's time each pilot, at CO and UA, take individual responsibility, think about their actions and act accordingly to help this pilot group as a whole.
ALPA lost that priority to it's own $$$$$$$ aspirations long ago.

Andy

It's not quite that easy. I don't like the idea of JRM at LCAL but the contractual language allows LCAL to staff aircraft by almost any means possible. Even if no one at LCAL accepts voluntary JRM, the company has plenty of involuntary manning options available due to contractual language.

For us LUAL pilots, it's clearcut with respect to JRM because the LUAL contract doesn't give the company a bunch of involuntary manning tools. Not so with the LCAL contract.

1257

It still doesn't make it right because they can get you another way.
They're taking Contract 2000 money to voluntarily help mgmt. avoid needing a new contract.
JRM/LCA/any help whatsoever needs to stop. "What's the rush?" by mgmt. needs to stop.
I had a situation where the company tried to "contract" me into some flying.....
and this brings up another point, the "up to 1 am is considered previous day "out""
That was there for irregulars, well you guessed it, they schedule that way now in normal ops.
Needless to say I ended up fatigued and removed myself from the assignment.
But could they do it, letter of the contract? Yes.
Was it safe to do it? No. So did I accept it? No.
We have to start holding the guy in the mirror accountable for every action that affects safety and this pilot group as a whole.
We are a professional group, not a "pilots on individual agendas" group, let's start acting that way.
And the excuse that "hey, lots of guys do it" is just more reason to turn this around now.

SoCalGuy

No???
Concerning involuntary JM at the CAL......The simple phrase "I'm NOT available" works very well, and it covered under the CAL POS'02. It's been true, tried, and test personally.

No excuses.

Skybo

Not speaking for "VOLO" here but.... Yes he would say it to his face. You think some of us are all talk on this forum? I confronted Tara Cook in the crew room the other day. You would have seen it if you were there...but you weren't. Instead you hang your hat on everything the union tells you. How sad. What you don't understand is Vince and I are afraid of no one. We scare the hell out of the union because we speak out. A piece I wrote and sent out recently (with my name on it) caused quite a stir within the union hierarchy. One rep told me it was the most accurate piece he had ever seen.

Now I understand you cannot see and refuse to accept our union's role in our demise. Suggest you listen to everything instead of taking the union's word as gospel.

Skybo

Absolutely correct. I haven't been called yet. The best thing to do is corner scheduling into ONE phone number. Preferably your cell number. Give it a special ring tone. If it rings, they will leave a message. Don't be so quick to answer. If they are changing a pairing or buying your trip, they will tell you. I really don't know why it has to be so complicated. Unless you are willing to help out the company.

Skybo

747 in IAH? Yeah right. Get rid of Pierce??? Please come up with something realistic.