Junior Manning Winners
04-02-2012, 01:51 PM
#141
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Nov 2008
Position: B-777 left
Posts: 1,415
Seemed the ual-l side had been doing so well refusing to JRM.....
Not so over the last few days in LAX on the 756.
5 accepted JRM assignments in 2 days, bailing out the people refusing to give us a contract again, to line your winner pockets.
And people wonder how the company negotiators can be quoted as saying "what's the rush?" to get a contract.
What's the rush indeed........our winners are killing any motivation to negotiate while they make C2000 pay individually.
Thanks winners!
Not so over the last few days in LAX on the 756.
5 accepted JRM assignments in 2 days, bailing out the people refusing to give us a contract again, to line your winner pockets.
And people wonder how the company negotiators can be quoted as saying "what's the rush?" to get a contract.
What's the rush indeed........our winners are killing any motivation to negotiate while they make C2000 pay individually.
Thanks winners!
04-05-2012, 05:20 PM
#143
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jun 2010
Position: 747 Captain, retired
Posts: 928
Good Point. In the last week, Screw Sked tried to jr man me 2 times (767 Cap UAL) one of which was via acars message which included incentive pay info. I wrote back "No thanks" I have refused ALL JR Manning and will continue to do so. However, some guys think they are hiding by having the company block their CALREC's - shameful!
04-05-2012, 07:24 PM
#144
Gets Rolled on the Reg.
Thread Starter
Joined APC: Oct 2010
Posts: 274
Good Point. In the last week, Screw Sked tried to jr man me 2 times (767 Cap UAL) one of which was via acars message which included incentive pay info. I wrote back "No thanks" I have refused ALL JR Manning and will continue to do so. However, some guys think they are hiding by having the company block their CALREC's - shameful!
Oh and re: the calrec blockers, most know about the other command that reveals who's JRM'ing anyway.
So the JRM blockers end up looking like losers and cowards instead of just losers.....
04-05-2012, 09:02 PM
#145
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Joined APC: Jun 2010
Position: 747 Captain, retired
Posts: 928
I'd sure like to know that command for future reference can you pm it to me?
04-06-2012, 04:07 AM
#147
Fore!
Joined APC: Jul 2008
Position: 756 F/O
Posts: 505
Good Point. In the last week, Screw Sked tried to jr man me 2 times (767 Cap UAL) one of which was via acars message which included incentive pay info. I wrote back "No thanks" I have refused ALL JR Manning and will continue to do so. However, some guys think they are hiding by having the company block their CALREC's - shameful!
04-06-2012, 05:22 AM
#148
On Reserve
Joined APC: Mar 2012
Posts: 23
JRM was agreed to by our union and it was not created by the *****s amongst us that benefit by it.
In fact the CAL ALPA full time reps benefit by the *****s amongst us in their trip loss each month. Their trip loss is not calculated by what they could hold in PBS, its calculated by an average of hourly pay and not what was actually flown in their BES
If they used the line production average that calculates our hours to be flown they would get a pay cut. Instead they came up with a formula to benefit by every single thing we get including each pilots VACATION.
When we have a vacation month and have more hours of pay and less hours of flying they also get a piece of our vacation pay in their pay.
They average in all JRM,TRNG VACATION and trips bought by flight ops into "their" pay. So don't expect it to change.
Jay Pierce pays himself well over 90 hours per month for his 3 day week and several of these pigs are getting paid 99 hours per month.
Going into this summer from hell the union is not going to ask the company to staff the airline as it should be, but they are going to pass another policy change to allow the full time reps to increase their pay to reflect the hours of the *****s and the overworked amongst us.
There has not been a change to our JCBA to eliminate JRM. So you are all wasting your time blowing off steam on a forum.
CALL AND WRITE YOUR REP and tell them what you want in the JCBA.
A union has two purposes and one would be to protect us from the company and the other to protect us from ourselves. Right now they are doing neither.
In fact the CAL ALPA full time reps benefit by the *****s amongst us in their trip loss each month. Their trip loss is not calculated by what they could hold in PBS, its calculated by an average of hourly pay and not what was actually flown in their BES
If they used the line production average that calculates our hours to be flown they would get a pay cut. Instead they came up with a formula to benefit by every single thing we get including each pilots VACATION.
When we have a vacation month and have more hours of pay and less hours of flying they also get a piece of our vacation pay in their pay.
They average in all JRM,TRNG VACATION and trips bought by flight ops into "their" pay. So don't expect it to change.
Jay Pierce pays himself well over 90 hours per month for his 3 day week and several of these pigs are getting paid 99 hours per month.
Going into this summer from hell the union is not going to ask the company to staff the airline as it should be, but they are going to pass another policy change to allow the full time reps to increase their pay to reflect the hours of the *****s and the overworked amongst us.
There has not been a change to our JCBA to eliminate JRM. So you are all wasting your time blowing off steam on a forum.
CALL AND WRITE YOUR REP and tell them what you want in the JCBA.
A union has two purposes and one would be to protect us from the company and the other to protect us from ourselves. Right now they are doing neither.
04-06-2012, 06:20 AM
#149
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Mar 2012
Posts: 225
JRM was agreed to by our union and it was not created by the *****s amongst us that benefit by it.
In fact the CAL ALPA full time reps benefit by the *****s amongst us in their trip loss each month. Their trip loss is not calculated by what they could hold in PBS, its calculated by an average of hourly pay and not what was actually flown in their BES
If they used the line production average that calculates our hours to be flown they would get a pay cut. Instead they came up with a formula to benefit by every single thing we get including each pilots VACATION.
When we have a vacation month and have more hours of pay and less hours of flying they also get a piece of our vacation pay in their pay.
They average in all JRM,TRNG VACATION and trips bought by flight ops into "their" pay. So don't expect it to change.
Jay Pierce pays himself well over 90 hours per month for his 3 day week and several of these pigs are getting paid 99 hours per month.
Going into this summer from hell the union is not going to ask the company to staff the airline as it should be, but they are going to pass another policy change to allow the full time reps to increase their pay to reflect the hours of the *****s and the overworked amongst us.
There has not been a change to our JCBA to eliminate JRM. So you are all wasting your time blowing off steam on a forum.
CALL AND WRITE YOUR REP and tell them what you want in the JCBA.
A union has two purposes and one would be to protect us from the company and the other to protect us from ourselves. Right now they are doing neither.
In fact the CAL ALPA full time reps benefit by the *****s amongst us in their trip loss each month. Their trip loss is not calculated by what they could hold in PBS, its calculated by an average of hourly pay and not what was actually flown in their BES
If they used the line production average that calculates our hours to be flown they would get a pay cut. Instead they came up with a formula to benefit by every single thing we get including each pilots VACATION.
When we have a vacation month and have more hours of pay and less hours of flying they also get a piece of our vacation pay in their pay.
They average in all JRM,TRNG VACATION and trips bought by flight ops into "their" pay. So don't expect it to change.
Jay Pierce pays himself well over 90 hours per month for his 3 day week and several of these pigs are getting paid 99 hours per month.
Going into this summer from hell the union is not going to ask the company to staff the airline as it should be, but they are going to pass another policy change to allow the full time reps to increase their pay to reflect the hours of the *****s and the overworked amongst us.
There has not been a change to our JCBA to eliminate JRM. So you are all wasting your time blowing off steam on a forum.
CALL AND WRITE YOUR REP and tell them what you want in the JCBA.
A union has two purposes and one would be to protect us from the company and the other to protect us from ourselves. Right now they are doing neither.
Sometimes you make sense - Just to wordy!
04-06-2012, 07:03 AM
#150
On Reserve
Joined APC: Mar 2012
Posts: 23
Now that was funny. Too wordy. 99% of the BS on this forum says NOTHING and when I post facts and information you call it too wordy.
Do you want to know what is happening with our contract and our union or are you a professional forum poster amusing your self with the freedom to attack everything and everyone with your anonymity?
Do you want to know what is happening with our contract and our union or are you a professional forum poster amusing your self with the freedom to attack everything and everyone with your anonymity?
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