Junior Manning Winners
#131
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this time no Capt. and no Capt. took JRM. From what you guys are saying,
sounds like there might be a diff. between the L-UAL and L-CAL behaviors.
Have you noticed it getting better or still widespread at L-CAL?
Hopefully the bone-us in Feb. isn't converting L-CAL peeps to winners......
Then again we know they're simply trying to buy some yes votes for the first lowball contract offer.
You know, the DABPP or Delta/American bankruptcy plus plan....
#132
NOT!
I had better things to do on my New Year's Eve with another amendable date anniversary coming and going without a contract. Thirteen years in this industry and I've never been junior manned and never picked up open time. I do my reserve duty or my scheduled line as I'm contractually required to do...period.
#133
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They are doing it everywhere at UA, I saw that they were 3 short the other
day at a given dom/fleet/seat and presto, all filled by special people.
Special people with special me-me excuses and 5 inch bubbles of reality.
Hope the other crewmembers are recognizing how special their flying partners are.
Agreed. But don't think it's so much from lack of pilot foresight, but from ALPA's biases to support itself. (and our auto vote with the MEC)
ALPA has become it's own profit seeking corporation, afraid to do anything that will jeopardize its income.
They had to know much of what you said, but didn't want to lose the support of that faction of dues paying pilots.
We should have stood up in the BK, we should have stood up in relation to your example and we should have
held the MEC acct. for advising us incorrectly both times. Hmmm, let's see, what should we do with the next MEC "recommendation"?
Imho, they will recommend that which will minimize losses for ALPA, not that which is potentially best for the pilot group.
They would rather take the easy win vs. risk a strike vote and the huge ALPA losses which could result.
Personally, being released today would be the best course of action vs. this mgmt. team.
In the end, all we have is unity. It doesn't have to coincide with the recommendations of the MEC.
Frankly, this MEC looks to be getting handled by mgmt. again, partially due to the injunction, but no excuses there.
Their past behavior, along with partially having their hands tied with the lawsuit, leaves almost no choice regarding the first TA offer.
Vote no and hold this mgmt. team accountable for the theft they've been allowed to get away with.
Yeah, rant/soapbox/peace out.
day at a given dom/fleet/seat and presto, all filled by special people.
Special people with special me-me excuses and 5 inch bubbles of reality.
Hope the other crewmembers are recognizing how special their flying partners are.
Agreed. But don't think it's so much from lack of pilot foresight, but from ALPA's biases to support itself. (and our auto vote with the MEC)
ALPA has become it's own profit seeking corporation, afraid to do anything that will jeopardize its income.
They had to know much of what you said, but didn't want to lose the support of that faction of dues paying pilots.
We should have stood up in the BK, we should have stood up in relation to your example and we should have
held the MEC acct. for advising us incorrectly both times. Hmmm, let's see, what should we do with the next MEC "recommendation"?
Imho, they will recommend that which will minimize losses for ALPA, not that which is potentially best for the pilot group.
They would rather take the easy win vs. risk a strike vote and the huge ALPA losses which could result.
Personally, being released today would be the best course of action vs. this mgmt. team.
In the end, all we have is unity. It doesn't have to coincide with the recommendations of the MEC.
Frankly, this MEC looks to be getting handled by mgmt. again, partially due to the injunction, but no excuses there.
Their past behavior, along with partially having their hands tied with the lawsuit, leaves almost no choice regarding the first TA offer.
Vote no and hold this mgmt. team accountable for the theft they've been allowed to get away with.
Yeah, rant/soapbox/peace out.
For every pilot wanting to work over the 89 hour cap, we have at least 2 that want to work less than 50 hours a month.
#134
I'm wondering if scheduling is getting creative again.
Got a call this morning from a 281 area code (Houston). Since it wasn't a recognizable number, I didn't answer it. It wasn't the usual Crew Scheduling phone number, but I had to wonder if the elves are using their personal phones again in attempt to make contact with those of us lineholders who aren't working. Must not have been that important since no voicemail was left offering me the chance to make money and increase my profit sharing for February 14th.
Got a call this morning from a 281 area code (Houston). Since it wasn't a recognizable number, I didn't answer it. It wasn't the usual Crew Scheduling phone number, but I had to wonder if the elves are using their personal phones again in attempt to make contact with those of us lineholders who aren't working. Must not have been that important since no voicemail was left offering me the chance to make money and increase my profit sharing for February 14th.
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#135
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#138
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I have filled all those squares and never had a peep from the flight office. There must be other triggers. Being unprepared for a PC is not a reason I would call in sick and if I ever got a call, I would be happy to discuss my illness in detail blah......
#139
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All this talk about ALPA and Junior manning. We, l-ual, are unable to "challenge" the company because of the 4 L-UAL pilots who, despite being warned, foolishly continued their activities which resulted in a lawsuit that has paralized ALPA. It is not junior manning that is hurting our negotiations, it is the lawsuit against l-ual ALPA that has crippled us.
For every pilot wanting to work over the 89 hour cap, we have at least 2 that want to work less than 50 hours a month.
For every pilot wanting to work over the 89 hour cap, we have at least 2 that want to work less than 50 hours a month.
Something the MEC said recently hit the nail on the head.
"I have been telling this management they are losing this pilot group, pilot by pilot, day by day"
Smisek's attitude is that "the numbers don't show it"....
Ok, so what do they respond to? That's right, not talk, the numbers.
There is no doubt ALPA has been further minimalized by recent events and is the reason
we, individually as line pilots, have to start standing up for what's right and not waiting for the MEC to "send it down" to us.
As I posted above, two recent complete failures of the company to recruit JRM'ers resulted in two fully loaded transcon 757's being cancelled.
Those are numbers that definitely have an effect on our negotiations. The company has refused to negotiate in good faith,
creating another S2K environment and a situation where pilot "numbers" are the only things that speak and have an effect.
The unbelievably disgusting part, and the reason for this thread, is that "winners" are sabotaging the negotiations and the furloughees
through their selfish greed to line their own pockets at anyone else's expense. I mean hiding your schedule? How cowardly can you get?
flight office has discretion in when they make "support" calls.
My local domicile has gone to a much higher number even though the trigger happened the same as all other domiciles.
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#140
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Seemed the ual-l side had been doing so well refusing to JRM.....
Not so over the last few days in LAX on the 756.
5 accepted JRM assignments in 2 days, bailing out the people refusing to give us a contract again, to line your winner pockets.
And people wonder how the company negotiators can be quoted as saying "what's the rush?" to get a contract.
What's the rush indeed........our winners are killing any motivation to negotiate while they make C2000 pay individually.
Thanks winners!
Not so over the last few days in LAX on the 756.
5 accepted JRM assignments in 2 days, bailing out the people refusing to give us a contract again, to line your winner pockets.
And people wonder how the company negotiators can be quoted as saying "what's the rush?" to get a contract.
What's the rush indeed........our winners are killing any motivation to negotiate while they make C2000 pay individually.
Thanks winners!
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