Negotiating in Public
06-27-2011, 03:24 PM
#31
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I'd suggest everyone figure their pay at Delta + 1 after a one or two seat downgrade and/or furlough. That's what the 95 seaters will get you.
If it's still a raise for you - tell your MEC you'd like an opportunity to approve this.
And, by the way, any raise without work rules that actually cause said pay rates to be paid would be an anemic result at best.
PIPE
If it's still a raise for you - tell your MEC you'd like an opportunity to approve this.
And, by the way, any raise without work rules that actually cause said pay rates to be paid would be an anemic result at best.
PIPE
06-27-2011, 07:51 PM
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But there is nothing better than getting pilots to pay for what management is going to throw away anyway. Wouldn't it be great to have someone pay you to take your trash away?
06-27-2011, 08:22 PM
#36
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That thing is:
1) close to a year old
2) nothing more than a wish list
3) not a TA
4) not even enough meaningful substance to show up on X-band
Fuggedaboudit! It's just a joke
Have another beer
C/B
Pete
1) close to a year old
2) nothing more than a wish list
3) not a TA
4) not even enough meaningful substance to show up on X-band
Fuggedaboudit! It's just a joke
Have another beer
C/B
Pete
06-27-2011, 08:38 PM
#37
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Couldn't have said it better. They know we will be asking for a lot after bailing the company out 8 years ago. They are just trying to move a negotiation centerpoint closer to their wishlist. As was stated in another post.
06-28-2011, 04:40 AM
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Would be nice. Part of Wendy's response is almost more disturbing to me:
"In the scheduling sections of the contract, for example, our ALPA Subject Matter Experts have quantified our proposal and demonstrated that what we are asking for—to maintain UAL’s present work rules—is actually less costly than Delta’s current contract. "
I've heard CAL current work rules are lacking, but the current UAL work rules are still from a bankruptcy contract and certainly need improvements as well.
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06-28-2011, 07:40 AM
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Would be nice. Part of Wendy's response is almost more disturbing to me:
"In the scheduling sections of the contract, for example, our ALPA Subject Matter Experts have quantified our proposal and demonstrated that what we are asking for—to maintain UAL’s present work rules—is actually less costly than Delta’s current contract. "
I've heard CAL current work rules are lacking, but the current UAL work rules are still from a bankruptcy contract and certainly need improvements as well.
"In the scheduling sections of the contract, for example, our ALPA Subject Matter Experts have quantified our proposal and demonstrated that what we are asking for—to maintain UAL’s present work rules—is actually less costly than Delta’s current contract. "
I've heard CAL current work rules are lacking, but the current UAL work rules are still from a bankruptcy contract and certainly need improvements as well.
Or is it time to dust off the recall rules section of the by-laws...
06-28-2011, 08:43 AM
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"Or is it time to dust off the recall rules section of the by-laws... "
You two seem to miss the point here. The UAL/CAL proposal was based on the CAL contract and actually made things worse!
They, Management, hold up the DAL contract but their proposal isn't even close to it and the current UAL work rules are better than all three, DAL current CAL and the proposal.
Now are you wanting to recall Wendy because she has tipped some mysterious hand and hurt the ability to improve the contract beyond UAL by stating the obvious to the public?
You two seem to miss the point here. The UAL/CAL proposal was based on the CAL contract and actually made things worse!
They, Management, hold up the DAL contract but their proposal isn't even close to it and the current UAL work rules are better than all three, DAL current CAL and the proposal.
Now are you wanting to recall Wendy because she has tipped some mysterious hand and hurt the ability to improve the contract beyond UAL by stating the obvious to the public?
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