Perceptions. Too many "other co." changes.
06-04-2011, 06:13 PM
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Perceptions. Too many "other co." changes.
So at UAL there is a frequently voiced sense that checklists and procedures are being changed mostly in favor of CAL's procedures, but I have this sneaking feeling that the same may be occurring on the other side of the fence.
So what say you? What's your perception?
Thanks,
Joe
So what say you? What's your perception?
Thanks,
Joe
06-05-2011, 05:10 AM
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So at UAL there is a frequently voiced sense that checklists and procedures are being changed mostly in favor of CAL's procedures, but I have this sneaking feeling that the same may be occurring on the other side of the fence.
So what say you? What's your perception?
Thanks,
Joe
So what say you? What's your perception?
Thanks,
Joe
However, I'm on the 737 which isn't a common fleet type. I would only expect minor changes anyway. The 757/767/777 are the common fleet types of concerted emphasis and activity.
Last edited by Old UCAL CA; 06-05-2011 at 09:59 AM.
06-08-2011, 06:17 AM
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The ironic thing is that things are always changing. We got wholesale changes to the 727 manuals when they were 30 years old and we weren't merging. Change is inevitable and part of the process of even a normal company. We need to make sure we read our changes just as we did when we were a stand alone operation, fly professionally and act responsibly. Doesn't matter if legacy CO or UA did it one way or the other, just look at it like any change that has come down the pike over the years.
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06-08-2011, 04:29 PM
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9-A
The provisions of this Section shall apply to all training in which
pilots are required to participate, by the Company, on a
scheduled basis. This shall include but is not limited to initial,
upgrading and transition training, proficiency training,
proficiency checks, overwater training, navigation training,
requalification training and all training associated with
differences of an aircraft conducted at a local domicile, not
included in transition training.
The provisions of this Section shall apply to all training in which
pilots are required to participate, by the Company, on a
scheduled basis. This shall include but is not limited to initial,
upgrading and transition training, proficiency training,
proficiency checks, overwater training, navigation training,
requalification training and all training associated with
differences of an aircraft conducted at a local domicile, not
included in transition training.
9-J
Should a new training requirement be instituted which will New Training
initially require more than four hours of training and which has a
specific, required completion date, the parties will meet to
discuss and agree upon (1) whether pilots who participate
should be compensated and, if so (2) what form compensation
should take. This commitment to negotiate on compensation
under these conditions does not constitute a waiver of the
Company's rights to require pilots to participate in such training
under the present provisions of the Agreement prior to reaching
agreement on the issue of compensation.
Should a new training requirement be instituted which will New Training
initially require more than four hours of training and which has a
specific, required completion date, the parties will meet to
discuss and agree upon (1) whether pilots who participate
should be compensated and, if so (2) what form compensation
should take. This commitment to negotiate on compensation
under these conditions does not constitute a waiver of the
Company's rights to require pilots to participate in such training
under the present provisions of the Agreement prior to reaching
agreement on the issue of compensation.
Last edited by HSLD; 06-08-2011 at 05:32 PM.
06-08-2011, 04:55 PM
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HSLD and APC co-founder, great point. Seems so simple and straightforward. Why both MECs didn't just take this stand from the beginning just seems unexplainable.
It would seem that from the FAA's perspective, follow the money. If we weren't paid, it wasn't done.
It would seem that from the FAA's perspective, follow the money. If we weren't paid, it wasn't done.
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