More Fleet Crossfleeting
04-25-2011, 08:24 AM
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More Fleet Crossfleeting
UNITED/Continental Asia-Pacific Cross-Fleeting Changes from W11: Guam | AIRLINE ROUTE
There will be some serious moaning from some senior guys in IAH over losing the 7 day GUM trip. There's other stuff out there about Air Mic 73's taking over some inter Asia segments like HKG-SIN from UAL widebodies next fall. Typical CAL planning, put the smallest metal ya' can on the market.
There will be some serious moaning from some senior guys in IAH over losing the 7 day GUM trip. There's other stuff out there about Air Mic 73's taking over some inter Asia segments like HKG-SIN from UAL widebodies next fall. Typical CAL planning, put the smallest metal ya' can on the market.
04-25-2011, 04:14 PM
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Let me make sure I understand this...
1. They're not officially merged until we have a joint CBA and an integrated seniority list.
2. But they're going to continue "right sizing" the fleets and mixing up routes so that Smisek continues to get a nice bonus.
3. They really don't need an integrated seniority list or a joint CBA. They can already mix and match fleets (to include putting UAL's 70 seat RJs on CAL routes, despite a court order).
So does UAL really need an integrated seniority list and joint CBA???? What's going to stop them from turning this into the next America West/USAir merger?
1. They're not officially merged until we have a joint CBA and an integrated seniority list.
2. But they're going to continue "right sizing" the fleets and mixing up routes so that Smisek continues to get a nice bonus.
3. They really don't need an integrated seniority list or a joint CBA. They can already mix and match fleets (to include putting UAL's 70 seat RJs on CAL routes, despite a court order).
So does UAL really need an integrated seniority list and joint CBA???? What's going to stop them from turning this into the next America West/USAir merger?
04-25-2011, 05:12 PM
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Let me make sure I understand this...
1. They're not officially merged until we have a joint CBA and an integrated seniority list.
2. But they're going to continue "right sizing" the fleets and mixing up routes so that Smisek continues to get a nice bonus.
3. They really don't need an integrated seniority list or a joint CBA. They can already mix and match fleets (to include putting UAL's 70 seat RJs on CAL routes, despite a court order).
So does UAL really need an integrated seniority list and joint CBA???? What's going to stop them from turning this into the next America West/USAir merger?
1. They're not officially merged until we have a joint CBA and an integrated seniority list.
2. But they're going to continue "right sizing" the fleets and mixing up routes so that Smisek continues to get a nice bonus.
3. They really don't need an integrated seniority list or a joint CBA. They can already mix and match fleets (to include putting UAL's 70 seat RJs on CAL routes, despite a court order).
So does UAL really need an integrated seniority list and joint CBA???? What's going to stop them from turning this into the next America West/USAir merger?
Not sure the company wants to drag it out that long a la USAirways. They don't get all of their synergies that way.
04-25-2011, 06:04 PM
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But what's the balance point - right now, they're already getting significant synergies, and they have ridiculously low pilot wages and horrific work rules. Does it matter to them if they gain X% more synergies if we demand (X+1)% more pay/work rules? The longer we stay under POS02, the longer the company benefits.
04-25-2011, 07:44 PM
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But what's the balance point - right now, they're already getting significant synergies, and they have ridiculously low pilot wages and horrific work rules. Does it matter to them if they gain X% more synergies if we demand (X+1)% more pay/work rules? The longer we stay under POS02, the longer the company benefits.
Us Air part deux on the way.
04-26-2011, 02:30 AM
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04-26-2011, 03:25 AM
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Another way to look at the equation as well. There is no reason to give us a CBA or SLI until they have the single operating certificate. Mgmt has no incentive to pay us like a merged company until we are one. When they have the SOC close at hand or done, I think we will see a CBA and SLI come into play quickly. Why pay us like a merged company when we aren't. Keeping us under the two seperate contracts right now is a bonus for them. Theirmain focus is on the SOC in my opinion. Doesn't mean it will be a good JCBA but it will come and I will vote no if it doesn't make me happy.
04-26-2011, 06:19 AM
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Another way to look at the equation as well. There is no reason to give us a CBA or SLI until they have the single operating certificate. Mgmt has no incentive to pay us like a merged company until we are one. When they have the SOC close at hand or done, I think we will see a CBA and SLI come into play quickly. Why pay us like a merged company when we aren't. Keeping us under the two seperate contracts right now is a bonus for them. Theirmain focus is on the SOC in my opinion. Doesn't mean it will be a good JCBA but it will come and I will vote no if it doesn't make me happy.
04-26-2011, 09:04 AM
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Another way to look at the equation as well. There is no reason to give us a CBA or SLI until they have the single operating certificate. Mgmt has no incentive to pay us like a merged company until we are one. When they have the SOC close at hand or done, I think we will see a CBA and SLI come into play quickly. Why pay us like a merged company when we aren't. Keeping us under the two seperate contracts right now is a bonus for them. Theirmain focus is on the SOC in my opinion. Doesn't mean it will be a good JCBA but it will come and I will vote no if it doesn't make me happy.
However, as you mentioned, once SOC comes they will need to move to the next step in their plans for the full synergies. They will need those synergies to pay us for our much improved contract. I never expected us to have a JCBA before Spring 2012.
I will stand by my comment though that they don't want this to drag on as long as USAirways/America West.
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