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Old 04-21-2011, 09:36 AM
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A good attorney can make a case last a year, but a GREAT attorney can drag it out for three or more years. Unfortunately, we're working with a GREAT attorney. Our hands are tied by a 70 year old OUTDATED labor act, while management can do whatever they want NOW and we have to abide by it. Pathetic, isn't it?
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Old 04-21-2011, 09:55 AM
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Why would the FAA, who issues the SOC, care if we have a JCBA and/or a SLI?
Supposedly due to all the problems at Us Air. Don't forget, I prefaced it with supposedly heard.
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Old 04-21-2011, 03:08 PM
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In the end, if the politicians tell the Feds to issue an SOC - they will. I realize that it "doesn't work that way", but, in fact, it does.

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Originally Posted by 757Driver
Not going to see a SOC until all the Pilot Contract/SLI issues are solved.

Supposedly heard from the FAA and my 2 cents.

That's what our merger committee chair tried to tell us at first. The problem is, there is absolutely no requirement for a JCAB or a JSLI to get a SOC. US Airways proved that. They were issued a SOC in 2007 and still do not have either a list or a contract. Who needs "synergies" when your pilot costs are this cheap?

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Old 04-24-2011, 04:33 AM
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So what happens when management comes back and says "we'll agree to 30% of what you are asking for.". ??? What are the next steps? Summeroflove?
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Old 04-24-2011, 09:41 AM
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Every summer the airline typically runs like crap. Unreasonable staffing plus T-Storms tosses a wrench into the works. From what the CAL guys have been saying, it's their norm too. Add to that a bunch of disaffected 63.5 year old dudes with tons of sick bank and things are bound to get stretched thin. So IMO, yes basically. and once again we'll get the blame for there being no one to park your plane, to load your bags, drive the tug, the jetbridge etc. It's pretty idiotic but that seems to be the method at UAL.

WRT summer of love, as far as I am concerned it's already begun. Plenty of peeps standing around with clipboards and neck ties though.
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Old 04-24-2011, 06:02 PM
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Originally Posted by jsled
That's what our merger committee chair tried to tell us at first. The problem is, there is absolutely no requirement for a JCAB or a JSLI to get a SOC. US Airways proved that. They were issued a SOC in 2007 and still do not have either a list or a contract. Who needs "synergies" when your pilot costs are this cheap?

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I think, emphasis on think, that US got the SOC only because they were able to demonstrate that the pilots were bickering over seniority. Since our SLI won't kickoff until a JCBA, it could be argued that the company has to demonstrate that they have been negotiating in good faith to get an SOC prior to JCBA/SLI. So, again I think, the US situation really doesn't apply. An SOC is not a forgone conclusion without some movement towards a JCBA/SLI.

That said, I might be wrong so anyone that has a better answer feel free to correct this.
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Old 04-25-2011, 07:35 AM
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Originally Posted by jsled
That's what our merger committee chair tried to tell us at first. The problem is, there is absolutely no requirement for a JCAB or a JSLI to get a SOC. US Airways proved that. They were issued a SOC in 2007 and still do not have either a list or a contract. Who needs "synergies" when your pilot costs are this cheap?

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Kinda. US Air in their TPA negotiated that there will NOT be a JCBA until they merge the seniority list. That is why they do not have a contract. The current union doesn't recognize the Nicolau (sp?) award while they go through all the court proceedings.
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