FAA: "JCBA and SLI before SOC"?

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04-01-2011, 08:09 PM

#51

throttleweenie

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I know our contract well, and sharpshoot it every chance I get. It's a hobby of mine.

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04-03-2011, 09:27 AM

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syd111

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Originally Posted by jsled

Ch 9 is part of it. A few months ago a Global Services muckity muck had the F/A call us to threaten the Captain with a "letter to United" if he did not turn on Ch 9. The Captain was thrilled. He even gave the F/A a business card to give to the GS pax so he would know who to write about. IMO, the company DOES care about GS letters. Every time my million mile, Premier Exec for life neighbor writes one, he is rewarded with miles and an apology.

Your right sorry I am now sure we will get an indusrty leading contract all due to your Captain turning off channel 9 and of course your neighbor writing letters.

04-03-2011, 10:09 AM

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Scott Stoops

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Originally Posted by jsled

I am not talking about wrist bands or bag stickers. I am talking about taxi cabs at 30:01 after block in. I am talking self help for my accomodations when applicable. Both are in the contract. I am talking about a CONSERVATIVE stabilized approach. A comfortable pre-board cabin with apu air and fresh coffee available for the pax. Not answering my cell phone on layovers or sits and certainly not ever in the cockpit to talk to company. No job actions, just my job.

Sled

Agreed to all, unfortunately, about 80% of the pilots I fly with don't know, or care to know what is in our contract. Amazing, but true. For my part, I make less than a 2nd year SWA F/O, and while very senior in my seat with 16 years at UAL, think that is absurd. I do see both sides of this argument, but if I had a choice (and I did until I got bumped for the second time out of the left seat), channel 9 would be off. The threat is too high with zero reward. JMHO. I am sick of being played, and that's what all of this feels like to me.

Scott

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04-03-2011, 11:08 AM

#54

jsled

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Originally Posted by syd111

Your right sorry I am now sure we will get an indusrty leading contract all due to your Captain turning off channel 9 and of course your neighbor writing letters.

no, your right..better to do our jobs "with dignity", happily running the number one on-time airline, driving exec bonuses while earning 1995 wages. my bad.

Sled

04-03-2011, 01:00 PM

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syd111

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no, your right..better to do our jobs "with dignity", happily running the number one on-time airline, driving exec bonuses while earning 1995 wages. my bad.

Sled

Did I say I was doing that?? But I laugh everytime I hear that one person turing off channel 9 is going to do a damn thing. Wow go get em.

04-03-2011, 01:47 PM

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Did I say I was doing that?? But I laugh everytime I hear that one person turing off channel 9 is going to do a damn thing. Wow go get em.

I would suggest that if EVERY pilot turned ch 9 off and kept it that way it would make an impression. The turning of the gizmo off in and of itself, won't do anything of significance, but the show of solidarity would be noticed.

04-03-2011, 02:45 PM

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syd111

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Originally Posted by fireman0174

Sure just like taking our hats off. How bout solidarity by not jrm, or picking up or lca's flying 30 hours extra per month.
Are we supporting the pilot that had the altercation with cs in den?

How about showing up at the silly roadshow at the domiciles and letting them no how we feel, one right after another pointed questions and if there is no decent answer ask again.

04-15-2011, 07:52 AM

#58

AardvarkF111F

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Originally Posted by jsled

Lambourne is right about US Air. Unfortunately, at a council meeting in May of last year, there was an ALPA committee chairman who stated that the FAA would not issue a SOC wihout an Integrated Seniority List. There were 50 guys in the room, only 1 disagreed but he was refuted. The committee chairman was wrong, of course. Us Airways was awarded a SOC in 2007 and STILL does not have an ISL or a JCBA. Case closed. So I fully expect the company to drag out our draconian contracts for as long as possible. What's the rush? Us Airways is doing just fine financially, "synergies" or not. Oh, and remember to taxi single engine, use channnel 9, and cut that apu usage for gosh sakes!! Smisek is counting on it. He said so in his speech last week.

I agree, the FAA has no grounds or precedent to deny SOC because of contract/SLI issues. And UCAL will do everything in there power to prevent any delay in SOC.....it provides further ability to execute end arounds on our contract, where legal or illegal Smilton doesn't care. I agree it is obvious at this point that the company's "tactic" is simply to rely on the incredible advantage that the RLA gives them to delay any meaningful progress on a new contract....while reaping the profits that 2 concessionary contracts give them. If the UAL guys haven't noticed yet CAL management does one thing really well......OUTSOURCE...I would suspect that in the next 2 years the merged airline will no longer be the largest.