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Old 03-20-2011, 08:57 PM
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Originally Posted by iahflyr
I've mentioned this to countless people, but our union was dumb enough to push for this anyway. Whatever, enjoy the extra money UAL guys.

We all knew this was coming when we merged. Every legacy airline out there has 70 or higher seat regional jets. Now if there were CRJ-900's or EMB-190's out there, I would have an issue. But 70 seat regional jets are hear to stay. Lets stop costing our company money when we would be benefiting from it.
Benefiting with a once a year POS profit sharing check? Your kidding, right?
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Old 03-21-2011, 06:43 AM
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Originally Posted by iahflyr
Every legacy airline out there has 70 or higher seat regional jets.
And the economics on 70 and below are marginal.

That's what the But 70 seat regional jets are hear to stay. Lets stop costing our company money when we would be benefiting from it.
We'd be benefitting more if we were flying those routes.
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Originally Posted by iahflyr
I've mentioned this to countless people, but our union was dumb enough to push for this anyway. Whatever, enjoy the extra money UAL guys.

We all knew this was coming when we merged. Every legacy airline out there has 70 or higher seat regional jets. Now if there were CRJ-900's or EMB-190's out there, I would have an issue. But 70 seat regional jets are hear to stay. Lets stop costing our company money when we would be benefiting from it.
Dude...These 70 seat RJ's facilitated the mass parking of over 100 of our narrowbodies and caused 1400+ UAL pilots' careers to be trashed. And that was just since 2008 - go back to 2002 and it's even worse. I guarantee you that continuing to operate YOUR, PAID FOR, CAT3 certified 737-500's is MUCH more efficient than replacing each one with 2 -3 70 seat RJs. If you really want to know the efficiency of the RJ - it is that it decreases the headcount at the legacy airline whose name is on the side of it. You and I (assuming you're a CAL pilot) should be flying United Airlines' passengers...Period. Also, with the coming mass exodus of age 65ers, the impending 1500 hour FAA ruling, and expensive oil - I see a very unreliable, inefficient regional airline industry in the near future. The solution?....Modern, efficient 90-110 seat A/C (E190's,CS100's,whatever) flown by fairly paid, experienced MAINLINE captains and first officers. My colleagues....SCOPE!, SCOPE!, SCOPE!!!
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Didn't the UAL side just recently get an email or something, that says in order to list on these 70 seat flights out of "CAL hubs", UAL people have to list through the CAL website? Yet they are "United". Interesting.?
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Originally Posted by iahflyr
Lets stop costing our company money when we would be benefiting from it.
I'm sure that UAL benefits FAR more with the concessionary pilot contract compared to 20 seats worth of RJ revenue. The reality is that pilot labor costs are going to go up, it's just the cost of business. The question is how important is employee engagement and true teamwork? So far, I'm not impressed - meet the new boss, same as the old boss.

I'm not interested in giving one more dime, "the concession stand is closed".
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Originally Posted by iahflyr
I've mentioned this to countless people, but our union was dumb enough to push for this anyway. Whatever, enjoy the extra money UAL guys.

We all knew this was coming when we merged. Every legacy airline out there has 70 or higher seat regional jets. Now if there were CRJ-900's or EMB-190's out there, I would have an issue. But 70 seat regional jets are hear to stay. Lets stop costing our company money when we would be benefiting from it.
Seriously? You're worried that the company can't make money because we don't have enough 70 seat "regional" jets? Let's assume that (monkeys fly out of my butt) and CAL/UAL agrees to 70 seat scope. Holy hell, that would be the end of the world, because now DAL would need 90 seat scope or else they'd go bankrupt. So in 3 years, DAL would adopt 90 seat scope. Man, that would put us at a huge disadvantage and certainly eliminate those hefty profit sharing checks. So we'd need to adopt 90 seat scope. And so on and so forth.

How about this for an idea: we hold the line at 50 seat scope. Period. End of discussion.
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Old 03-21-2011, 07:26 PM
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Originally Posted by iahflyr
I've mentioned this to countless people, but our union was dumb enough to push for this anyway. Whatever, enjoy the extra money UAL guys.

We all knew this was coming when we merged. Every legacy airline out there has 70 or higher seat regional jets. Now if there were CRJ-900's or EMB-190's out there, I would have an issue. But 70 seat regional jets are hear to stay. Lets stop costing our company money when we would be benefiting from it.
Wow....

What's the best and most consistently profitable mainline airline out there? Southwest.

How many 70's do they farm out?
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Wow....

What's the best and most consistently profitable mainline airline out there? Southwest.

How many 70's do they farm out?
How much of anything do they farm out? They keep control of thier product and brand, it seems to work well.

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Folks it's pretty clear IAHd-bag flyer is either a flamer or so super ecstatic about his current place in life that he is a guaranteed YES vote. Thus I no longer waste the bandwidth responding to him. Certain people in this career will always roll over when management coddles them. Most like he was a victim of too many swirlies in high school so being a big jet capt helps heal the pathetic past.
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Old 03-22-2011, 05:16 AM
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Originally Posted by iahflyr
I've mentioned this to countless people, but our union was dumb enough to push for this anyway. Whatever, enjoy the extra money UAL guys.

We all knew this was coming when we merged. Every legacy airline out there has 70 or higher seat regional jets. Now if there were CRJ-900's or EMB-190's out there, I would have an issue. But 70 seat regional jets are hear to stay. Lets stop costing our company money when we would be benefiting from it.
"Capt Stivala"......

You 'sold' your retard sandwiches "OH SO WELL" while literally sitting on mgt's side of negotiating table during CBA'02. The mentality that you preach/advocate has literally damaged mainline jobs/flying for ALL to see.

FYI....You are now miles beyond south of being 'the minority'....Good luck on your present day crusade.
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