SoCalGuy

StrFyr51 is just a 'bit' off on his 'facts'. Correct me if I'm wrong.....BUT a/c 101 (B757-200) is the 'oldest' one we have, and it came from Boeing 'new'.

You would be spot on.....This wouldn't have anything to do with CAL's 'close' relationship with Boeing at that time would it?? (rhetorical BTW).

Let's see....Gordon is VP with Boeing 1988-1994, then jumps over to CAL to become CEO from 1994-2004. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gordon_Bethune


Just the facts.

sovt

Actually, if you have read the thread from the begining there are some interesting questions about these aircraft. The only ignorant response appears to be from UAL's maintenance controller who made assumptions about CAL's 757s. It is not about who's aircraft are better, it is about why UAL's 757s cannot perform the same mission that CAL's can.

As an aside, I might suggest that you are the one who needs to grow up.

ARFF

a/c 101 came from Boeing 12/94

clambakejoe

You are right Right on.

BeenThere

As I recall the only aircraft Lorenzo brought over from Eastern was the A360--the ones Borman leased for $1 from Airbus back in the day. Useless ramp queen, kinda like Frank himself.

intrepidcv11

Always believe exactly what you posted above. Nobody is pointing fingers at who did what with RJ problems cause in the end they are our collective problem. Wasn't trying to pick a fight cause the last thing I would engage in with this job these days is a package measuring contest. Just pointing out that you will need to accept the fact that our 'new' management team will 'trap' people in the smallest piece of metal on as many former UAL routes as they think right.

AxlF16

The intended topic of this thread was the crossflow of acft from UA hubs to CAL hubs (and vice versa), NOT a crank measuring contest between our acft types. I don't think anyone here will argue that UAL is taking over CALs widebody flying??? From my seat, so far it looks like UA widebodies are replacing smaller CAL acft flying out of CAL hubs. In return, our widebody flying is being replaced with CAL 757s. As a 767 pilot in DC, I see the colored flags and I'm paying attention. I think it's ludicrous to argue that UA would've put our 757s on the IAD-CDG route 'if only they were good enough to do it'... That's a crock. So, I don't care whose 757s are 'better'! They shouldn't be flying from IAD-CDG instead of our 777! When we get a CBA, SOC, and SLI it looks like the CAL hubs are going to be the net gainers in widebody acft, no? How does that affect the pilots? It's made me think about the issue and come to the conclusion to call my LEC rep (maybe a resolution too) and advocate for some kind of 'protection' from this net loss of flying. If the 757 and 767 are in separate pay bands then the CAL hubs will be the net gainers in wages as well, no? THAT is the issue. Everyone (I mean everyone!) can take the 'my airplane is newer/shinier/better than yours' BS somewhere else. If UA had a ratty DC3 on the Paris route that paid more than the 757, I be ****ed about losing the DC3 too!

This job isn't about new shiny planes fellas, it's about PAY and QUALITY OF LIFE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

SpecialTracking

Terp,

You make a very good argument. The problem is it will fall on deaf ears since they are the benefactor of the larger airframes.

Heel

DYNASTY HVY

You must be referring to the 300 or EAL was ahead of the times.
Airbus A360




Cpt. J.F.Jimenez

BeenThere

More accurately, it was the A180.