The curtain is pulled back a little more...
#22
From the March Pairing Book,
Scheduled block time:
BCN-EWR = 9:20
ARN-EWR = 9:10
TXL-EWR = 9:05
All usually make it no problem unless the WX is just crap in EWR.
AMS-EWR = 8:25
CDG-EWR = 8:50
I remember EWR-IAD was about 33 -38 min flight time, plus taxi.
Therefore, an additional 35-40 min to those block times should be no problem.
Not to mention, not being 16000 from ALB to EWR (the last 25-30 minutes of the flight) should also help.
And yes, crew rest in coach blows.
As for common product, most of our 757-200s have lie flat seats in first. I'm sure they will try to make sure that the IAD flights have lie flats for product commonality.
However, no economy plus.
Scheduled block time:
BCN-EWR = 9:20
ARN-EWR = 9:10
TXL-EWR = 9:05
All usually make it no problem unless the WX is just crap in EWR.
AMS-EWR = 8:25
CDG-EWR = 8:50
I remember EWR-IAD was about 33 -38 min flight time, plus taxi.
Therefore, an additional 35-40 min to those block times should be no problem.
Not to mention, not being 16000 from ALB to EWR (the last 25-30 minutes of the flight) should also help.
And yes, crew rest in coach blows.
As for common product, most of our 757-200s have lie flat seats in first. I'm sure they will try to make sure that the IAD flights have lie flats for product commonality.
However, no economy plus.
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Never say never, but transatlantic in coach would appear to be a NON-STARTER for us UAL types, even if we DO allow one way DHD, which SHOULD also be a non-starter!
No relief for an all-nighter over the Atlantic is a joke! Unless, of course, your name is Hart Langer!!! Gander, Thule, Keflavik or Glasgow (to name but a few), in the middle of the night, half asleep with my hair on fire? You can keep it!
From the Journal "Nature"
No relief for an all-nighter over the Atlantic is a joke! Unless, of course, your name is Hart Langer!!! Gander, Thule, Keflavik or Glasgow (to name but a few), in the middle of the night, half asleep with my hair on fire? You can keep it!
From the Journal "Nature"
A group of Cambridge scientists have successfully identified the mechanism that drives our internal 24-hour clock, or circadian rhythm. It occurs not only in human cells, but has also been found in other life forms such as algae, and has been dated back millions of years. Whilst the research promises a better understanding of the problems associated with shift-work and jet-lag, this mechanism has also been proven to be responsible for sleep patterns, seasonal shifts and even the migration of butterflies.
The study from the Institute of Metabolic Science at the University of Cambridge discovered that red blood cells contain this 24-hour rhythm. In the past, scientists assumed this rhythm came from DNA and gene activity but unlike most cells, red blood cells do not contain DNA.
During this study, the Cambridge scientists incubated healthy red blood cells in the dark at body temperature for several days, sampling them at regular intervals. It was discovered that the levels of peroxiredoxins (proteins that are produced in blood), underwent a 24-hour cycle. Virtually all known organisms contain peroxiredoxins.
"The implications of this for health are manifold," said Akhilesh Reddy, lead author of the study. "We already know that disrupted clocks – for example, caused by shift-work and jet-lag – are associated with metabolic disorders such as diabetes, mental health problems and even cancer. By furthering our knowledge of how the 24-hour clock in cells works, we hope that the links to these disorders – and others – will be made clearer. This will, in the longer term, lead to new therapies that we couldn't even have thought about a couple of years ago."
A second study by scientists working together at the Universities of Edinburgh and Cambridge, and the Observatoire Oceanologique in Banyuls, France, identified a similar 24-hour rhythm in marine algae. Once again, the scientists held a previous belief that the circadian clock was driven by gene activity, but both the algae and the red blood cells proved this theory wrong.
"This groundbreaking research shows that body clocks are ancient mechanisms that have stayed with us through a billion years of evolution," said Andrew Millar of the University of Edinburgh's School of Biological Sciences. "They must be far more important and sophisticated than we previously realized. More work is needed to determine how and why these clocks developed in people – and most likely all other living things on Earth – and what role they play in controlling our bodies."
The papers "Circadian Clocks in Human Red Blood Cells" and "Circadian Rhythms Persist Without Transcription in a Eukaryote" were published on 27th January 2011 in the journal Nature.
The study from the Institute of Metabolic Science at the University of Cambridge discovered that red blood cells contain this 24-hour rhythm. In the past, scientists assumed this rhythm came from DNA and gene activity but unlike most cells, red blood cells do not contain DNA.
During this study, the Cambridge scientists incubated healthy red blood cells in the dark at body temperature for several days, sampling them at regular intervals. It was discovered that the levels of peroxiredoxins (proteins that are produced in blood), underwent a 24-hour cycle. Virtually all known organisms contain peroxiredoxins.
"The implications of this for health are manifold," said Akhilesh Reddy, lead author of the study. "We already know that disrupted clocks – for example, caused by shift-work and jet-lag – are associated with metabolic disorders such as diabetes, mental health problems and even cancer. By furthering our knowledge of how the 24-hour clock in cells works, we hope that the links to these disorders – and others – will be made clearer. This will, in the longer term, lead to new therapies that we couldn't even have thought about a couple of years ago."
A second study by scientists working together at the Universities of Edinburgh and Cambridge, and the Observatoire Oceanologique in Banyuls, France, identified a similar 24-hour rhythm in marine algae. Once again, the scientists held a previous belief that the circadian clock was driven by gene activity, but both the algae and the red blood cells proved this theory wrong.
"This groundbreaking research shows that body clocks are ancient mechanisms that have stayed with us through a billion years of evolution," said Andrew Millar of the University of Edinburgh's School of Biological Sciences. "They must be far more important and sophisticated than we previously realized. More work is needed to determine how and why these clocks developed in people – and most likely all other living things on Earth – and what role they play in controlling our bodies."
The papers "Circadian Clocks in Human Red Blood Cells" and "Circadian Rhythms Persist Without Transcription in a Eukaryote" were published on 27th January 2011 in the journal Nature.
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Breaking in 2C on a 767 was bad enough, but if you were to throw me in coach, I would think that would be an automatic FSAP every leg.
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This is one of the MANY important things we must lock down in the CBA!! No way we should go backwards on UAs rest rules/facilities. Heck, we won't even allow a 757 first class seat to be used for rest!
Re. the crossfleeting, maybe this is a bit of an opporunity to highlight how much their delay is going to cost them. CAL crews flying out of UA bases and vice versa has to cost SOMETHING. The reliability for the flights will drop since they won't have the reserve crews or spare airframes available. That should show up as more than a minor 'blip' on their expense sheets.....
As for the apparent widebody 'sucking sound' in EWR.... As a DCA guy, replacing a missing 767 flight with a 757 ain't gonna cut it. The block hours will drop and (I'm assuming the 757 pay will split from the 767...) my base pay will drop. I expect some kind of protection from the adverse effects of that kind of movement! I will accept the SLI results without complaint, I want as few fences as possible, and I want mixed crews to fly as soon as reasonable. BUT I expect that my current status quo won't change too much! That means I should be able to fly the type of trips and schedules I currently fly, I don't have to commute to do that, and my pay will stay in the same relative position on the payscale!
Thanks for tolerating my rant
Re. the crossfleeting, maybe this is a bit of an opporunity to highlight how much their delay is going to cost them. CAL crews flying out of UA bases and vice versa has to cost SOMETHING. The reliability for the flights will drop since they won't have the reserve crews or spare airframes available. That should show up as more than a minor 'blip' on their expense sheets.....
As for the apparent widebody 'sucking sound' in EWR.... As a DCA guy, replacing a missing 767 flight with a 757 ain't gonna cut it. The block hours will drop and (I'm assuming the 757 pay will split from the 767...) my base pay will drop. I expect some kind of protection from the adverse effects of that kind of movement! I will accept the SLI results without complaint, I want as few fences as possible, and I want mixed crews to fly as soon as reasonable. BUT I expect that my current status quo won't change too much! That means I should be able to fly the type of trips and schedules I currently fly, I don't have to commute to do that, and my pay will stay in the same relative position on the payscale!
Thanks for tolerating my rant
Regarding the cross fleeting, can't they build the IAD flying in and out of EWR as W's or Y's? Those sweet little 3 day id's would go to 6 days. After the Trans Agreement ends, whats to prevent the shifting flying out of IAD to EWR?
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That's exactly what they'll do. It won't change the fact that until we get an SLI they won't have a reserve pool in base... It's not uncommon for a 767FO at Dulles get reassigned from a late departure to an earlier Eur trip -- gives them the flexibility and time to 'solve' their problem. They won't have that on the EWR flights (our NY based crews aren't int'l qual). Of course, local hero's could always save the day As far as acft... One 767 on the ramp for a flight is not optimum. At IAD they often 'rob' a later flight's plane and get an extra couple of hours to fix the broken/refused plane. Happens all the time...
The shifting of widebodies concerns me. I think I summed up my feelings and expectations in my previous post.
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I've seen this comment form CAL Pilots in the past and I'm wondering
Where do you Get the idea IN FACT that The CAL Rolls Royce engines OR any other engine is Better or more efficient than the PW2040's,PW4056/60,PW7077's or Pw4094's that United Flies? Because I can sure as hell tell you FACTUALLY, You have NO IDEA what you're talking about (CAL got Rolls-Royce Powered 757's because that's what EASTERN was flying on THEIR 757's when they went OVER TO CAL under LORENZO. While UAL ordererd theirs NEW with the PW2037.)
(Point in fact,, UAL will ALWAYS order Pratt over ANYBODY'S if given the choice or option! Also a point that GE knows very WELL in fact!)
What Route can the CAL 777's fly that UAL's CAN'T fly?? What Route can the CAL 757's or 767's fly that UAL's CAN'T fly?? One Idiot even claims that the UAL 777's are small engined "Ratty" airplanes. If that's REALLY so? Then We've fooled a Hell of a lot more people than Cal Has because We've flown SFO to ICN 13.5 hrs ONE WAY just fine. Where is your longerst route? And? When it comes time to FLY those "ratty" 747-400's,777-222,222ER's and 767-322's Are you going to say they're too OLD to fly? This' like "the Blind man Said ", "This I gotta SEE".
Whomever you are? You need to give the Old Ratty stuff a Break because
We Mantain our planes EVERY BIT as well as yours and the ONLY dofference is in the Cabins and UAL's are "Superior" in most EVERY way
Except for those Ord-Hawaii 777 "Cattle Cars" with 36F-312Y cabins.
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