Tony Nelson

They told me that also...good thing I never trusted them.

Baron50

Lambo, surveys are the tool of those who craft them. They are a nefarious method of decision making. No doubt, the Age 65 survey was slanted, although the change was inevitable. You never had a chance, given the other pilot unions position and the government's overall agenda to move retirement ages up to save social security.

I did not benefit from the change, but you may. I can see it now, you will be grossing to some 10 year furloughee how bad it is to work past 60, "dang ALPA, I'll take second break, the bottom bunk and have my crew meal ready when I wake up."

Baron50

I'll take it, sign me up.

Lambourne

.

The pass travel survey was slanted and the change was inevitable.

You never had a chance either. Times have changed and sentiment is not on your side.

Well if I have learned anything from the average UAL Capt's that I used to fly with is exactly as written above. Take of yourself and screw everyone else. Again, I bring up the selfishness of the Glawe, Whiteford and Gallud group. Nice example the elder statesmen of ALPA set. They sue their own union for 44million. It did and doesn't surprise me as I have been around them and their ilk for too many years here at good ol'UAL.

Luckily I am inside 10 years til 60. Have kept my finances in order and will be leaving at 60. Unlike too many, I don't define myself as a UA Capt. If I need to be somewhere now,I buy tickets. If I have flexible schedule I will pass ride. I don't foresee that changing.

L

threeighteen

Best proposal so far.


The guy below.

Baron50

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lambourne

.

You continually bring up the plaintiffs and the lawsuit, it really belongs in another thread. It is history, the ALPA attorneys learned a hard lesson, and they will never let that kind of situation evolve again, no matter how dumb an MEC has become. So, you probably got more than you should have, I got less, life is not always fair, time to move on.

I hope your speculation of an early retirement comes true, seems like everyone says that, but few actually do. I can say with authority that retirement is great, build airplanes, ski, break 80 at the golf course, try to stay healthy.

We do agree on one thing, that whatever the change, neither of us will be truly affected by it. We really lost pass travel a long time ago when airline tickets became a commodity, cheaper than the Greyhound bus. We lost first class travel when they started to upgrade mileage plus and premiers for free. We lost our seniority based system when management used priority boarding as a reward for good behavior. The CAL guys got to see gratuitous class favoritism when the lowest seniority managers went ahead of them.

There are fair solutions to protect those that are economically compelled to ride on a pass. It should be resolved by fair minded people, not by those that want to settle a score for some perceived slight by another group. Unfortunately, Jeff will likely decide how it will be for all of us, probably while having a cigar, two martinis and a steak at Morton’s. Opps!…darn it Lambo, I caught some of your negativity.

throttleweenie

Ten years ago, none of us saw anything changing, but now, change is the only constant.

C/B

TW

757Reserve4EVR

My point was that "up-front" and "contingency fee" are oxymoronic and mutually exclusive. (FWIW, it is possible to have a contingency arrangement and asking for an advance on costs, which are minimal; if this is the case, my bad)

Secondly, I have seen an unfortunate number of examples of the "I got mine, pull up the rope." over the last decade. Does is still **** me off, absolutely; "unhappy in life", not even close. You do not know me, nor I you, however, I have a feeling that we would probably get along in real life.

As far as the big red letters, admittedly that might come across as being inordinately aggressive and unhappy looking.......wait, I just tagged onto the original post, nevermind, the issue at issue was not actually mine.

I withdraw my reference to "Gummers," it was insensitive and, as I alluded to before, I do not have first-hand knowledge(FHK) of the state of anyone's teeth. I will refrain from using the colloquialism unless I actually possess FHK of that individuals "gummular state."

Cheers,

"T.S."

P.S. Don't EVER question my unity, I may have differences with different segments of "US", but in the end, US IS US, and I WILL walk. (even though I tossed my uniform and would have to do so in civies)

Baron50

Yes, that was what I was trying say, I see the juxtaposition of the words are confusing. Lawyers usually want you to pay a deposit upfront from which they suck $35 or more for every email, letter, phone call etc. They do this because they know that when you find out your "iron clad" case is not so good, they will still get paid. In this instance, the Lawyer knew his pay day was assured as soon as he heard the details, so no contingency fee.

Sorry for the remark, you are right I bet we would get along. We dislike the same people.

The big red letters was suppose to be symbolic of the red and white letters typical of the picket signs we carried a long long time ago. Hopefully you will not have to do it, but if necessary, I still have mine, I will be glad to participate. You will be stunned to find out how many people will support you.

No problem, a forum is a tough place for subtleties. I have seen the power of unity. It takes smart leadership to know how and when to apply it, but thats another thread.

Take care,

757Reserve4EVR

That went completly over my head. I guess some references require actual experience to be fully comprehended, I do not currently possess that experience. Nicely done.

Cheers.

"T.S."