Shrek

Any idea on a timeframe on when the next CAL bid will be posted? Contractually do they have to have one by a certain time of the year?

Looking forward to getting back to either property before the end of the year.....is this a realistic possibility?

SoCalGuy

First & foremost....nothing 'new' or earth shattering.

Under CAL's POS'02 CBA.....The company is contractually bound to post 2 system bids a year. In the past (if history comes remotely close to repeating), there is has been a bid in Jan-Feb-Mar time frame, with a second bid taking place mid-late summer...Jun-Jul-Aug.

Nothing new to post other than 'rubblings' of "out any week now"

Hard to say....
How deep are you on the 1400+ UAL furloughs?? Are recalls going to by-pass at a rate of 9:1 vs 3:1?? When for 'certain' is the 787 going live with revenue?? Will CAL try to run staffing even thinner (vs. beefing up) as summer-time flying approaches??

Too many factors to give you anywhere in the ballpark of an accurate answer....Just hope it's sooner than later Shrek. Hang in there.

Yak02

No.

Take a look at the January 26, 2011 fleet plan. Loss of of a B747-400 and B737-500. Only taking 4 new B737 the rest of the year. Companies commitment to reduce number of seats in the market to increase ticket price.

Not looking good for an increase in pilots anytime soon. Hope I'm wrong.

dvhighdrive88

Not looking good my green ogre friend. I think you can refer to United's fleet planning, painting schedule and most importantly the incessant rise in fuel prices to make a safe bet that capacity increases are highly unlikely.

Unfortunately DAL's reaction to rising oil by parking 81 mainline jets and 93 RJ's by the end of 2011 points candidly at the direction the industry is going to go and it's going towards putting more market power in the hands of the airlines.

As fuel prices go up, the legacy industry solution so far has been to curtail capacity and increase pricing power to compensate. This was something very difficult to do just a few years ago, but because of consolidation and focus on international alliances and joint ventures, I don't think the legacies have much appetite to fight for low margin domestic revenue. They're leaving that to the nationals (JB,SW and to some degree USAir).

I'm not saying it's right or wrong, but thats what the powers that be are saying in their own words and the Delta move affirms the thinking.

Recalls? Well I keep hearing people say that the contract will generate 500 recalls right off the bat...I'm skeptical however, but I am not experienced nor learned in the results of CBA's so I'll defer to the common opinion and more seasoned commentators.

Here's one ray of sunshine. Like SoCal said, it all depends on the recall acceptance rate. I've got mates at AA that are saying their HR is grumbling because they're making 9 calls to get 1 warm body back at the school house. At that rate, they'll burn through their list mighty quick and may hire off the street by 2012. Let's see, but 9 to 1 is pretty damn high and it's for obvious reasons why which are mundane to debate here.

The bright spot you ask? Well, if indeed 500 bodies are generated out of the contract, retirements or whatever, then even at a reasonably expected 3 to 1 bypass rate that will cover the 1437 out wandering the woods.

For me, I cling to that as the only good, solid, mathematical bright spot out there.

Praying for you brother, praying you'll back in Tornado Alley soon.

Shrek

Thanks for the quick response and very sobering thoughts indeed.

Maybe it's just me but I would rather like to eat rice becuse I CHOSE to not because I HAVE to.....lol.

Boneman

From Sec 24

At least two (2) System Bids must be awarded each calendar year. These
awards must occur no more than eight (8) months apart, one in the period
January through June and the other in the period July through December.

Sonny Crockett

Shrek,

Heard from shipmates that are still on the bottom of the list on the Slave Ship (LCO Airbus) that the 570 will sell us down the river if it will benefit them in anyway.


12 years wasted.

syd111

Which 570 are you talking about selling you down the river?

SOTeric

You mean there's more than one?

Were screwed.

Andy

LOL! That sentiment's not restricted to the 570 among active UAL pilots.