throttleweenie

All true. However, your response isn't relevant to my post. Someone posted back there somewhere that what was settled on was what the company was proposing pre-strike, and I said that that wasn't true, and it still isn't. The company's proposal had new hires on B-Scale til they made captain, and had a 5th year 767 FO making $2,316 per month at 78 hours.

Beyond that, though there was a B-Scale post-strike, not only were the scales about midway between pre-strike company proposal and current A-Scale, it was also written in that contract that in the sixth year, the pay would be decided either by further negotiation or by arbitration.

Sure, it sucked, and I lived it for four years, but it was not what Ferris proposed nor wanted. Actually, Ferris didn't want anything but to separate the "loyal company employees" from those that would dare strike, and permanently remove the strikers AND ALPA from the property permanently. He actually forced the strike for this reason. Boy, was he surprised and disappointed when the expected 50% of pilots didn't cross, and the vast majority of the 570 told him to go pïss up a rope.

Was the strike perfect? No. Did it have it's flaws? Yes. Was it successful in that it ultimately did away with the V-Scale? Yes, but it took 5 years for it to happen.

C/B

Pete McConnell
DENFO 757/767 captain.

A320

Funny how ALPA spin says they brought the company to their knees on a contract in less than a week regarding the 85 strike but it included a B scale. *Less than a week? *On their knees? *Who was on their knees? * I can hold my breath for a week. * What ever happened to ALPA's oath to never come to work with a B Scale? *They caved into a B Scale within a week, *then at 29 days went back to work without protecting the 570 in the back to work agreemet (as promised) and without the flight attendants being protected in back to work agreement (as promised). * ALPA National called it off at 29 days because they could not afford to support the UAL group on strike. *On day 30 they have to start writing checks and collecting strike assessments from everyone else. * When it comes to ALPA National, the UAL pilots are on their own. They proved it in 85 and they did again in 03'.

P.S. *

1. If a B Scale is morally offensive then why did ALPA sign off on the Shuttle B Scale in 94 then again on the LCO B Scale in 03? * * *

2. *Almost nobody hired post ESOP agreement(94')that the UAL pilots did NOT have membership ratification from 83'-94'. * * I'll bet the ESOP would have been voted down if we had been able to vote. *

syd111

Sorry I didn't see it as successful at all, by the way when were you hired at United?

throttleweenie

Relevance? If you're looking for me in your yellow book, don't knock yourself out. I'm not in there. If I was a SCAB, you'd find my date of hire in it. Otherwise, is it really important?

C/B

Pete

syd111

Great answer. Didn't say anything about a book, just thought it was a simple question.

throttleweenie

Sept 15th, 1986, 7:00 AM MDT. It was a clear, crisp fall day, tainted only by the bitterly hostile environment that prevailed over DTK at the time.

What did I miss?

C/B

Pete

Adiru

It's not "cowboy", it's "bumpkin".....because most pilots are. I think the Gardener writes the way he does because if he didn't "write a literal phoneme and allophone-translation of ...coloquialisms" most pilots wouldn't un'erstan'. Seriously, from what I've seen, when a point needs to made, the English is perfect. Looks to me like the rest is for entertainment and show...you know...to keep the short attention span engaged.