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Old 02-10-2011, 12:50 PM
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ALPA B-scale? I thought that was what out-sourcing to "regional" carriers was.
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Old 02-10-2011, 12:56 PM
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maybe you should be outsourced. B scale is all mainline.
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maybe you should be outsourced. B scale is all mainline.
I was. So I decided to go into another line of work....without a B-scale.

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maybe you should be outsourced. B scale is all mainline.
It's time to send the regionals back where they belong.
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Old 02-10-2011, 02:06 PM
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Anyone wonder why the best airlines in the wold (the most profitable and the best in service with loyal customer groups) don't have regional affiliates?

They either fly their own work to keep quality control, or they don't fly that sort of route in their route structure.

United's difficulties parallel the timescale when they were over expanding their feed carriers and a complete loss of control in their branding occurred. The regionals didn't cause the problem but the problematic management that embraced regional feed outsourcing also did massive damage to the airline in several other ways. I believe it's time these "shrink to profitability" tactics get the boot. If UAL can't afford to do the work themselves then they should not do the work at all, but focus more on the core strengths and expand when they can handle it. It's clear that "shrinking to profitability" is actually an uncontrolled expansion into outsourcing and the product has suffered gravely for it.
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Old 02-10-2011, 02:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Tony Nelson
ALPA B-scale? I thought that was what out-sourcing to "regional" carriers was.
Let me take you back to 1985, that there United air lines introduced their version of the "B" scale. Today it's like the alternate 1985 in Back to the Future, where somehow very profitable United, so they tell us, skewed into a pay scale paying A320 Captains a buck twenty-three an hour. Jeez and people bust on B6 and VX.

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Old 02-10-2011, 02:30 PM
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Originally Posted by clipperskipper
Let me take you back to 1985, that there United air lines introduced the "B"
scale. Today it's like the alternate 1985 in Back to the Future, where somehow very profitable United, so they tell us, skewed into a pay scale paying A320 Captains a buck twenty-three an hour. Jeez and people bust on B6 and VX.
So that b-scale amr had in place in 1983 doesn't count?
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Old 02-10-2011, 03:02 PM
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Originally Posted by clipperskipper
Let me take you back to 1985, that there United air lines introduced the "B" scale.
You need to do lots more studying on this subject.
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Old 02-10-2011, 03:22 PM
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Originally Posted by clipperskipper
Let me take you back to 1985, that there United air lines introduced their version of the "B" scale. Today it's like the alternate 1985 in Back to the Future, where somehow very profitable United, so they tell us, skewed into a pay scale paying A320 Captains a buck twenty-three an hour. Jeez and people bust on B6 and VX.
Ha! UAL introduced the B-scale? Sure, and Al Gore invented the internet. AMR had just introduced the PERMANENT b-scale in 83. It was what the 85 strike was essentially about. And the 320 scale is 137/hr with a 16% b-fund contribution (after a +40% paycut). Or about exactly what SWA was paying for 12 yr captain back when the UAL bankruptcy happened.

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Old 02-10-2011, 03:24 PM
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Study it, I lived it although I meant to say UAL's version. Someone in mgt. asked if I would cross, I told him that I was all set.
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