Jetlinker

Those XJT pilots that kept their board date did so as part of the flowthrough agreement that was in place...you know, the one that allowed many CAL pilots to flow back after 9/11...and then shafted the XJT pilot group when the time came for flowthroughs. Lets not start the bashing game. Those pilots deserved to keep their board date...they were CAL employees when they worked at XJT.

Oh..and I'm sure the UAL pilots will love that your caterers board before you do too.

Sorry if this post rubs some CAL pilots the wrong way...but you guys have some holier than thou guys that love to look down at others.

CAL73CAPT

Sorry they were NOT CAL employees until they came to CAL. That was a unprecedented deal these pilots got when they flowed over to CAL. Were else did this happen? AA, USAir, DL. NO Where!

A Senior UAL Captain say 1985 hire, is going to love boarding behind a CAL pilot hired at PBA in 1984.

cencal83406

I think that they have a legit right to be upset that they don't get to board as priority on their own metal (and if it's leased to XJT through an ASA, it's "their own metal").

Jetlinker.... we've been going through this crap since Delta bought NWA....

intrepidcv11

Look man it's not that I don't empathize, but consider how reality is changing far beyond XJT. How on on earth do you propose that one regional provider employee should get on in 1st class free b4 a 30 yr UAL employee up to the date your VAC pass was supposed to expire? There are alot more UAL employees then Cal out there.

Let's not forget that the Vac pass was either allotted by CAL, COEX, or XJT which do not exist anymore for all purposes. You wanna demand equal feeder priority as Skywest then I agree with you and u should fight. To expect any feature of the pass travel days of old to last is ****in into the wind. I'm not happy to say it but Jeff has made it crystal clear that XJT is another feeder for UAL, nothing more. Full disclosure I am old express and believe I will lose COEX Doh and perhaps Cal Vac passes a result of this GD merger.

DrivinTheDash

Can't speak for the others, but it does happen at USAirways... If an employee leaves one division of the USAirways Group, then begins employment with a USAirways Group company within a certain amount of time (I believe it's 60 days), then that employee keeps his original DOH for travel purposes. This is the case whether the employee goes from Piedmont to mainline USAirways, as several did the last time pilot hiring occurred, or whether the employee goes from mainline to a wholly-owned, as happens sometimes when mainline ramp functions are transferred to Express.

When XJT was, in fact, a wholly-owned, this is really all that happened... the pilots went from one division of the parent company to another.

supersix-4

I agree that CAL wants to remove all special priveledges from XJT.

forgot to bid

It [this convoluted pass riding system seniority] doesn't happen at Delta because we didn't sign off on a flow through agreement to allow it. A flow through agreement that allowed hundreds of CAL pilots to participate in an unprecedented flown down post 9/11. A flow through agreement that was canceled and then reinstated post 9/11.

forgot to bid

Does CAL still charge for pass riding?

forgot to bid

Is UAL the same or are they free?

For Delta, you pay $50 and you have unlimited pass privileges for the year. I think DCI pays more for the annual activation but I don't know what it is.

BOARDING PRIORITY AND ALLOTMENTS

Your boarding priority is determined by both your standby code and your pass eligibility date. Delta standby codes are numbered and you have several different standby codes available to use. Generally, the lower the number of the standby code, the better your chance of clearing the standby list.

S1A Emergency. Use this standby code only in the event of the death of or the hospitalization with an impending
threat of death of an immediate family member or other extreme life crisis. Let your manager know as soon as the
emergency has occurred and obtain his/her approval to travel using the S1A standby code.

S1 Relocation. This standby code is used if you’re traveling as part of an approved Delta relocation package on a
space available basis.

S2 Priority. For those days you want to enhance your chances of clearing the standby list, you can use the S2
standby code. Prior approval is not required, just save this standby code for when you really need it – you, your
spouse/domestic partner/travel companion and dependent children each have an annual allotment of six S2 Flight Days renewed on your pass eligibility date. This standby code is available for regular active full-time and part-time employee travel. Ready Reserve employees must complete one year of service before using S2 flight days.

S2B Honor Roll. The S2B standby code is awarded to employees who have received a special commendation for
customer service that exceeds Delta’s normal high standards

S3 Standard Travel. You, your spouse/domestic partner/travel companion, and your dependent children receive
an unlimited allotment of S3 Flight Days. Parents and nondependent children are eligible to upgrade to the S3
standby code when accompanying the employee, and parents of single employees without a travel companion
have limited use of the S3 standby code when traveling transoceanic. You, your spouse, and your dependent children travel free. Due to IRS regulations, the value of domestic partner/same sex spouse travel is added to your paycheck as imputed income. Travel companions must purchase a yield fare ticket in advance of travel.

S3B – Standard Parent/Nondependent/Retiree. Your parents’ and nondependent children’s standby code is
S3B. Parents and retirees receive unlimited S3B Flight Days. A $75 service charge is added on for parents’ travel
on transoceanic flights (waived for parents of single employees without a travel companion as noted above – check out the “Mom and Dad Have the Travelbug” fact sheet for additional information on parent pass travel privileges). Nondependent children may purchase an unlimited number of S3B yield fare tickets. Your parents and
nondependent children can be upgraded to the S3 standby code when traveling with you, the active employee.
Once you retire, your standard standby code is S3B. Check out the “Look at the Sky, Life’s Begun” fact sheet for
additional information on retiree pass travel privileges.

S4 – Buddy Passes. Your Buddies travel at the S4 standby code whether accompanied or unaccompanied.

For Delta Connection: Standby boarding order for employees and their eligible pass riders varies depending on Connection Carrier. Overall, mainline employees and their eligible pass riders travel at a higher standby code than Connection Carrier employees on all mainline flights and an elevated priority on certain Connection Carrier flights. This page describes the pass privileges and standby boarding order that mainline employees receive on Delta Connection Carriers including Comair, Compass, Mesaba, as well as ASA, Chautauqua, Pinnacle, SkyWest and Shuttle America.

Captain Bligh

Courtesy? Talk about buying into some Newspeak Orwellian philosophy. I don't give a rats rear end if you list as a "courtesy" or not and neither do the sewer dwelling rats that wait until the last second, then list with a vacation pass in an attempt to rearrange the boarding priority.

Travel is dynamic. Canceled turn - a commuter ditches his brain bag and runs to the boarding gate of an earlier flight. Being there may get him home 8 hours earlier, Stopping to list as a "courtesy" may cost him his marriage.

Believe it or not there was a day when none of this info was available at home on your computer. The system worked.

0) Eliminate SA1s PERIOD.
1) Get rid of the GD vacation passes. (maybe, maybe... give out some free upgrade coupons as performance incentives)
2) Board nonrevs by hire date at the mainline as SA3s
3) Board "vendors" as SA4s
4) SA5s last and give serious consideration to scrapping the buddy pass program entirely. It causes too many problems.

Jumpseat

1) Date of hire (interpret seniority) for employees on the operator's equipment.
2) Others first come first serve inside an hour, or at the Captain's discretion.