Attention CAL commuters on XJT
01-13-2011, 05:37 AM
#21
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Problem is this.
When you've got HALF your flight segments outsourced to vendors, is it wise to **** them off by taking away a benefit you promised them (literally with expiration dates) with a few days notice, and with both parties knowing this benefit does not actually cost the parent company any money?
Does the parent company think that these employees at the vendor are going to try hard? Should they be expected to?
I'm thinking of it from a management perspective, and I can't figure out what manager thinks this is a good idea.
When you've got HALF your flight segments outsourced to vendors, is it wise to **** them off by taking away a benefit you promised them (literally with expiration dates) with a few days notice, and with both parties knowing this benefit does not actually cost the parent company any money?
Does the parent company think that these employees at the vendor are going to try hard? Should they be expected to?
I'm thinking of it from a management perspective, and I can't figure out what manager thinks this is a good idea.
That is some funny stuff. Rise up and make a big deal out of this since you are a "vendor". Just keep in mind there is another "vendor" waiting to take your place for a dollar less. And don't think the carrier will replace you at the earliest opportunity if they need to. Just look at what happened at UA with Air wis, ACA and Mesa.
If you don't like the terms of being a vendor then you need to be part of the corporation. To do that you have to assure that the RJ flying is mainline flying. Support scope and Stop the seesaw battle of regional carriers over who will do it for less. Just look at the replies from the Colgan and Commutair folks here. Their company was happy enough to sign agreements with less benefits than XJT. You are being taken down by your fellow regional pilots and companies. The mainline carrier is just lowering the bar as the carriers limbo under.
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01-13-2011, 05:48 AM
#22
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I hate to say it, but welcome to the exiting world of fee-per-departure where the big boys are constantly playing various regionals off of one another and some regionals are now so big that they have multiple operations under one umbrella for the same reason.
One look at the convoluted ownership of XJT tells one all you need to know.
01-13-2011, 07:47 AM
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Originally Posted by usmc-sgt
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Something tells me that after this post and tidbit of information this anomaly will be corrected pretty quickly.
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01-13-2011, 08:59 AM
#26
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That is some funny stuff. Rise up and make a big deal out of this since you are a "vendor". Just keep in mind there is another "vendor" waiting to take your place for a dollar less. And don't think the carrier will replace you at the earliest opportunity if they need to. Just look at what happened at UA with Air wis, ACA and Mesa.
If you don't like the terms of being a vendor then you need to be part of the corporation. To do that you have to assure that the RJ flying is mainline flying. Support scope and Stop the seesaw battle of regional carriers over who will do it for less. Just look at the replies from the Colgan and Commutair folks here. Their company was happy enough to sign agreements with less benefits than XJT. You are being taken down by your fellow regional pilots and companies. The mainline carrier is just lowering the bar as the carriers limbo under.
L
If you don't like the terms of being a vendor then you need to be part of the corporation. To do that you have to assure that the RJ flying is mainline flying. Support scope and Stop the seesaw battle of regional carriers over who will do it for less. Just look at the replies from the Colgan and Commutair folks here. Their company was happy enough to sign agreements with less benefits than XJT. You are being taken down by your fellow regional pilots and companies. The mainline carrier is just lowering the bar as the carriers limbo under.
L
There are plenty of UAL and CAL furloughees working where I now work; believe me, them and I all share same sentiments about scope that you do.
While you are right that there are other vendor options, I don't think United is going to simply make 274 jets flying under a contract vanish anytime soon. So, they're stuck with it for a while, therefore not making this the smartest move in my opinion.
01-13-2011, 03:50 PM
#27
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I see this as a final FU and kick to the groin to XJT from CAL managment... The problem is, They are too shortsighted to see what may result. How's that old saying go? Take a dollar from a pilot?
01-13-2011, 04:37 PM
#28
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Bad news for you is that Uncle Jerry in Utah dolls out the flying now. Act up if you wish, but reality is your leverage is dogsh!t. That's why one should leave the commuter/regional game ASAP.
01-13-2011, 05:01 PM
#29
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ExpressJet pilots have recently had pass benefits aligned with all other CAL/UAL Express carriers, as they should be. They have been on gravy train for years. Boarding on CAL airplanes before CAL employees that have hire dates after them at ExpressJet.
Did this ever happen at UAL? I bet it never did! Now they are whinning like a bunch of school girls when they have to board CAL/UAL aircraft where they should at the end of standby list.
UAL pilots will love the fact that CAL pilots that are old ExpressJet pilots have boarding dates for when they were hired at ExpressJet, NOT CAL hire date. CAL has pilots that were hired at ExpressJet from 70/80/90's that were NOT hired at CAL until 90/00's and kept original ExpressJet boarding date.
Did this ever happen at UAL? I bet it never did! Now they are whinning like a bunch of school girls when they have to board CAL/UAL aircraft where they should at the end of standby list.
UAL pilots will love the fact that CAL pilots that are old ExpressJet pilots have boarding dates for when they were hired at ExpressJet, NOT CAL hire date. CAL has pilots that were hired at ExpressJet from 70/80/90's that were NOT hired at CAL until 90/00's and kept original ExpressJet boarding date.
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