UAL/CAL ARBITOR ruling submitted on 70 seater
12-31-2010, 07:54 AM
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Nice work to CAL and UAL ALPA. Here is hoping to start the new year off with the company actually talking to the pilots first before making such stupid decisions. Keep the energy positive to gains in 2011
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12-31-2010, 08:23 AM
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12-31-2010, 09:36 AM
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I have a question for you all? If they cannot put the Codeshare/CO designator on the flight can't the company just put a UAL designator to go around the scope?
I am happy for you all at CO with this ruling.
I am happy for you all at CO with this ruling.
12-31-2010, 09:37 AM
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Yeah! 
It's going to be interesting to watch SKW and UA sort this out at the last minute. I'd like to think some crews will get paid to sit in a hotel, but it might be more complicated than that. They might throw 200's on it.
It's going to be interesting to watch SKW and UA sort this out at the last minute. I'd like to think some crews will get paid to sit in a hotel, but it might be more complicated than that. They might throw 200's on it.
12-31-2010, 09:56 AM
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Some would think that if it were that easy they would have done that in the first place?...hope they cannot do that.
12-31-2010, 10:06 AM
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agreed. This is also a victory on other levels. For one, it may help towards paving the way for scope on the JCBA as well as possibly help us as the company attempts to negotiate in good faith. IE this wont help MGT in negotiations.
12-31-2010, 10:35 AM
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In reality Jeff can do any or ALL of that. CAL is part of the Alliance. they can add any code share number as they so choose to as a connection flight number as their NEXT move might be to bring Skywst into the alliance as an associate Star member. Because contracturally there's nothing ALPA can do about it being an Alliance flight. However!! The 70 seat airlines might have to opt to NOT change to the CAL colors as jeff was previously contemplating. That could upset the entire apple cart once again. Because let's face it. The days for "mainline branded" flying are pretty much OVER. The animosity it causes?? The Labor strife it causes?? Is it REALLY worth it?? What UAL/CAL in association with ALPA needs to do is either OWN the flying by bringing the flying "In House" with ALL ALPA crews OR unbrand the flying and "affiliate" the flying as it was when Air Wisconsin flew from he United Terminal in Chicago Under their OWN colors AS an affiliate. The UAX / CALEX experience has run it's course and the idea is obsolete except as a way for management to "Tick off" the Pilots which they seem to take GREAT JOY in doing.. (aside from the fact you guys have a "sping loaded" "Angry"/"Hacked off" position switch imbedded somewhere on you)
12-31-2010, 11:28 AM
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Here is an article about it with managements reply.
Related News:Transportation · U.S. .United Can't Use Continental Code With 70-Seat Jets, Arbitrator Determines
By Mary Jane Credeur - Dec 31, 2010 1:07 PM ET
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Business ExchangeBuzz up!DiggPrint Email .United Continental Holdings Inc. can’t use the Continental Airlines code on 70-seat jets operated by its regional partners because a labor contract requires planes of that size to be flown by Continental pilots, an arbitrator ruled.
Continental pilots filed a grievance about United’s plans to add Continental’s code on a few dozen flights from Continental hubs such as New Jersey’s Newark and Houston airports starting in January, and an arbitrator, Richard I. Bloch, found in favor of the pilots in a ruling yesterday.
Continental pilots have a “scope clause” in their contract that requires planes with 51 or more seats to be flown by Continental pilots, not regional partners such as SkyWest Inc., while the United contract has a scope of 71 seats. United wanted to move some 70-seat jets to Continental hubs and add Continental’s code, prompting an objection by the pilots.
United will still be able to operate the 70-seat regional jets at Newark and Houston using its own code, said Julie King, a spokeswoman for the Chicago-based carrier.
“Although we disagree with the arbitrator’s decision, we will comply with the ruling,” King said. “We are pleased that this decision will permit the company to redeploy 70-seat aircraft in certain markets under the United Express brand to better meet demand and improve profitability of the combined company.”
Separate Airlines
Routes include Newark-Atlanta, Newark-Detroit, Houston- Colorado Springs and Houston-Dallas Fort Worth, she said.
United Airlines parent UAL Corp. merged with Continental Airlines Inc. in October in an all-stock deal valued at $3.47 billion. They must operate as separate airlines until they are granted a joint operating certificate by the U.S. Federal Aviation Administration at the end of 2011.
United Continental management and the pilots for both carriers jointly filed for mediation in their contract talks for a new collective bargaining agreement on Dec. 17.
Related News:Transportation · U.S. .United Can't Use Continental Code With 70-Seat Jets, Arbitrator Determines
By Mary Jane Credeur - Dec 31, 2010 1:07 PM ET
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Business ExchangeBuzz up!DiggPrint Email .United Continental Holdings Inc. can’t use the Continental Airlines code on 70-seat jets operated by its regional partners because a labor contract requires planes of that size to be flown by Continental pilots, an arbitrator ruled.
Continental pilots filed a grievance about United’s plans to add Continental’s code on a few dozen flights from Continental hubs such as New Jersey’s Newark and Houston airports starting in January, and an arbitrator, Richard I. Bloch, found in favor of the pilots in a ruling yesterday.
Continental pilots have a “scope clause” in their contract that requires planes with 51 or more seats to be flown by Continental pilots, not regional partners such as SkyWest Inc., while the United contract has a scope of 71 seats. United wanted to move some 70-seat jets to Continental hubs and add Continental’s code, prompting an objection by the pilots.
United will still be able to operate the 70-seat regional jets at Newark and Houston using its own code, said Julie King, a spokeswoman for the Chicago-based carrier.
“Although we disagree with the arbitrator’s decision, we will comply with the ruling,” King said. “We are pleased that this decision will permit the company to redeploy 70-seat aircraft in certain markets under the United Express brand to better meet demand and improve profitability of the combined company.”
Separate Airlines
Routes include Newark-Atlanta, Newark-Detroit, Houston- Colorado Springs and Houston-Dallas Fort Worth, she said.
United Airlines parent UAL Corp. merged with Continental Airlines Inc. in October in an all-stock deal valued at $3.47 billion. They must operate as separate airlines until they are granted a joint operating certificate by the U.S. Federal Aviation Administration at the end of 2011.
United Continental management and the pilots for both carriers jointly filed for mediation in their contract talks for a new collective bargaining agreement on Dec. 17.
12-31-2010, 11:39 AM
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United will still be able to operate the 70-seat regional jets at Newark and Houston using its own code, said Julie King, a spokeswoman for the Chicago-based carrier.
“Although we disagree with the arbitrator’s decision, we will comply with the ruling,” King said. “We are pleased that this decision will permit the company to redeploy 70-seat aircraft in certain markets under the United Express brand to better meet demand and improve profitability of the combined company.”
Separate Airlines
Routes include Newark-Atlanta, Newark-Detroit, Houston- Colorado Springs and Houston-Dallas Fort Worth, she said.
“Although we disagree with the arbitrator’s decision, we will comply with the ruling,” King said. “We are pleased that this decision will permit the company to redeploy 70-seat aircraft in certain markets under the United Express brand to better meet demand and improve profitability of the combined company.”
Separate Airlines
Routes include Newark-Atlanta, Newark-Detroit, Houston- Colorado Springs and Houston-Dallas Fort Worth, she said.
12-31-2010, 11:58 AM
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This will be the case until the two companies merge, and then it will be a forgone conclusion that all of the UAL codeshares will be there to take the flying.
What is your advice to regional pilots? What do you expect those of us who might be assigned to this work, who see it as a violation of the labor agreement, and who want to be in your right seat asap? We are powerless as to whether this comes to pass. They assign the flying, we do the flying. Short of a congressional mandate that all aircraft 50+ seats must be flown by major airlines, what can we do about it? And don't tell me that I should refuse to do the flight, because you all know exactly how that would go down.
What is your advice to regional pilots? What do you expect those of us who might be assigned to this work, who see it as a violation of the labor agreement, and who want to be in your right seat asap? We are powerless as to whether this comes to pass. They assign the flying, we do the flying. Short of a congressional mandate that all aircraft 50+ seats must be flown by major airlines, what can we do about it? And don't tell me that I should refuse to do the flight, because you all know exactly how that would go down.
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