UAL/CAL ARBITOR ruling submitted on 70 seater
01-05-2011, 09:43 PM
#102
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Good Day everyone, I've been reading all post from everyone and decided to join APC forums. First of all I want to congratulate to all CAL pilots and CALPA for the good fight over the scope.
My question is, once UAL/CAL finish up their merge and integration, which scope are they going to keep? since is UAL has a scope of 50+.
By the way, jumpseat war won't lead to a solution.
driver
My question is, once UAL/CAL finish up their merge and integration, which scope are they going to keep? since is UAL has a scope of 50+.
By the way, jumpseat war won't lead to a solution.
driver
01-06-2011, 04:24 AM
#103
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I honestly think that this is going to come down to a strike. I was hired at United 11 years ago and have spent half of my time on furlough. I would gladly spend another year on the street either on furlough or on strike to get our scope back. I think most furloughees feel the same way.
As a double furloughee I wonder what the point of coming back at all. As FO on the A320 I was only taking home $4,200 a month after 9 years. If I'm forced to fly a 70 seater at even lower pay I'll just do something else. A job with no responsibility and get to go home every night.
01-06-2011, 11:53 AM
#104
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Good Day everyone, I've been reading all post from everyone and decided to join APC forums. First of all I want to congratulate to all CAL pilots and CALPA for the good fight over the scope.
My question is, once UAL/CAL finish up their merge and integration, which scope are they going to keep? since is UAL has a scope of 50+.
By the way, jumpseat war won't lead to a solution.
driver
My question is, once UAL/CAL finish up their merge and integration, which scope are they going to keep? since is UAL has a scope of 50+.
By the way, jumpseat war won't lead to a solution.
driver
Single operating certificate does not mean the companies are fully integrated and combined operationally. So, a methodical course is taken via merger policy, our contracts and the Transition and Process Agreement.
Someone correct me if I am wrong, but I believe that was the jist I got out of the CALALPA Town Hall Call today.
01-06-2011, 04:18 PM
#105
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If they weren't riled up after Colgan 3407 about pay and work rules after 45 passengers were killed, do you think they'll have sympathy after they've been stuck in EWR for days?
The reason we strike is to make it unprofitable and miserable for the company forcing them to bargain in good faith, not to garner public support.
01-07-2011, 05:56 AM
#106
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Exactly! On top of that, the REAL threat of a looming strike will seriously hurt future bookings and cash flow. Mediated negotiations and a credible threat that we could be released, combined with press coverage hyping the possibliity of a strike will put a lot of pressure on the company. You don't want to shoot your wad too early (sts) but prepping the battlefield will help us later.
Nothing is lost. Standard defeatist attitude.
01-08-2011, 03:30 PM
#109
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What are you talking about? ALL they did was change from a CO designator to a UA one. We won the arbitration, but STILL ended up with the 70 seaters doing EXACTLY what we were trying to prevent. We got a "win" in semantics only. So in reality, what have we "won" according to your theory? 
01-08-2011, 04:04 PM
#110
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Here's a hint: try visiting continental.com and booking a flight. 
The viability of all the 70-seat UAX flights into CO hubs are predicated on CO connecting traffic. It's kind of hard to fill the airplane (at the desired yield) when a large conduit of that traffic suddenly disappears.
The viability of all the 70-seat UAX flights into CO hubs are predicated on CO connecting traffic. It's kind of hard to fill the airplane (at the desired yield) when a large conduit of that traffic suddenly disappears.
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