Perfect Attendance
12-15-2010, 11:52 AM
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Perfect Attendance
United Continental Holdings Announces Perfect Attendance Program for Employees
COMPANY TO AWARD 11 NEW CARS ANNUALLY TO EMPLOYEES
December 15, 2010 1:23 PM EST
CHICAGO, Dec. 15, 2010 /PRNewswire-FirstCall/ -- United Continental Holdings, Inc. (NYSE: UAL) today announced a new Perfect Attendance Program to recognize United and Continental employees
for their dependability and their contributions to the combined carrier achieving operational and customer service goals. The new program will launch Jan. 1, 2011.
Employees with perfect attendance for six months will be eligible to participate in an annual drawing to win a new car, with the company awarding 11 new cars annually.............
Can any Legacy CAL pilots tell what you think of this program and how it's not just an incentive to fly sick? Is there any provision for sick calls, or are there different rules for different employee groups??
COMPANY TO AWARD 11 NEW CARS ANNUALLY TO EMPLOYEES
December 15, 2010 1:23 PM EST
CHICAGO, Dec. 15, 2010 /PRNewswire-FirstCall/ -- United Continental Holdings, Inc. (NYSE: UAL) today announced a new Perfect Attendance Program to recognize United and Continental employees
for their dependability and their contributions to the combined carrier achieving operational and customer service goals. The new program will launch Jan. 1, 2011. Employees with perfect attendance for six months will be eligible to participate in an annual drawing to win a new car, with the company awarding 11 new cars annually.............
Can any Legacy CAL pilots tell what you think of this program and how it's not just an incentive to fly sick? Is there any provision for sick calls, or are there different rules for different employee groups??
12-16-2010, 06:41 AM
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Originally Posted by 2 wheels 2 work
Can any Legacy CAL pilots tell what you think of this program and how it's not just an incentive to fly sick? Is there any provision for sick calls, or are there different rules for different employee groups??
Our "Attendance and Reliability Policy" is essentially:
1-3 sick calls in a rolling 12 month period - no problems
4th sick call - verbal warning
5th sick call - written warning
6th sick call - termination warning
7th sick call - termination
The caveat of course is that the pilot group is a different animal because we have a medical requirement to fly. I have not heard of one pilot being terminated for sick calls for legitimate illness reasons, which of course should be backed up by a physician's note if they get to the "warning stage."
12-16-2010, 07:15 AM
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We have had a program like this for years. It's not that big of deal as there are still plenty of sick calls. Perfect attendance doesn't enter my mind when I evaluate whether or not I AM SAFE to fly according to the FARs. This is kind of a joke to a lot of guys anyway.
Our "Attendance and Reliability Policy" is essentially:
1-3 sick calls in a rolling 12 month period - no problems
4th sick call - verbal warning
5th sick call - written warning
6th sick call - termination warning
7th sick call - termination
The caveat of course is that the pilot group is a different animal because we have a medical requirement to fly. I have not heard of one pilot being terminated for sick calls for legitimate illness reasons, which of course should be backed up by a physician's note if they get to the "warning stage."
Our "Attendance and Reliability Policy" is essentially:
1-3 sick calls in a rolling 12 month period - no problems
4th sick call - verbal warning
5th sick call - written warning
6th sick call - termination warning
7th sick call - termination
The caveat of course is that the pilot group is a different animal because we have a medical requirement to fly. I have not heard of one pilot being terminated for sick calls for legitimate illness reasons, which of course should be backed up by a physician's note if they get to the "warning stage."
12-16-2010, 07:24 AM
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12-16-2010, 10:06 AM
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We have had a program like this for years. It's not that big of deal as there are still plenty of sick calls. Perfect attendance doesn't enter my mind when I evaluate whether or not I AM SAFE to fly according to the FARs. This is kind of a joke to a lot of guys anyway.
Our "Attendance and Reliability Policy" is essentially:
1-3 sick calls in a rolling 12 month period - no problems
4th sick call - verbal warning
5th sick call - written warning
6th sick call - termination warning
7th sick call - termination
The caveat of course is that the pilot group is a different animal because we have a medical requirement to fly. I have not heard of one pilot being terminated for sick calls for legitimate illness reasons, which of course should be backed up by a physician's note if they get to the "warning stage."
Our "Attendance and Reliability Policy" is essentially:
1-3 sick calls in a rolling 12 month period - no problems
4th sick call - verbal warning
5th sick call - written warning
6th sick call - termination warning
7th sick call - termination
The caveat of course is that the pilot group is a different animal because we have a medical requirement to fly. I have not heard of one pilot being terminated for sick calls for legitimate illness reasons, which of course should be backed up by a physician's note if they get to the "warning stage."
It in the Flight Ops site under Attendance and Reliability Policy.
3 calls within 90 days gets you a see me.
5 calls within 180 days gets you a see me.
multiply calls in a row count as 1 call (I don't think it matters how many days off exists between trips).
12-16-2010, 10:28 AM
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Where are you guys getting your info from????
It in the Flight Ops site under Attendance and Reliability Policy.
3 calls within 90 days gets you a see me.
5 calls within 180 days gets you a see me.
multiply calls in a row count as 1 call (I don't think it matters how many days off exists between trips).
It in the Flight Ops site under Attendance and Reliability Policy.
3 calls within 90 days gets you a see me.
5 calls within 180 days gets you a see me.
multiply calls in a row count as 1 call (I don't think it matters how many days off exists between trips).
I think even ALPAs legal team could defend against termination of an employee who is legally required to not fly when he/she does not meet the requirements of FAR part 67. As mentioned, if you're toward several sick events in a short period of time, have your doctor help you document the events.
As for the car lottery, I'll take a solid CBA instead (or in addition).
12-16-2010, 10:39 AM
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12-18-2010, 11:22 AM
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it's not an incredible tolerance to illness. I havent has a sick day since 1993 after having to be "borescoped" (would'a rather BEEN Ill than to do THAT!) I can't tell you I felt GOOD every day. I just didn't feel Bad enough to say I was actually SICK! Most of it is a personal committment to Honor. If I needed a day off then I asked for one and I got one. I used my personal Holidays mainly. My bosses KNEW that unless I needed a day off? I wouldn't ask for one. And the "Lames" I worked for that Didn't? They were always set straight becaue My atendance was ALWAYS better than theirs! And they KNEW I KNEW that too. You guys have people's Lives you're responsible for I'd better NOT find out these Buttwipes EVER forced a pilot to FLY under "threat". Hell! I'd PERSONALLY sue them for "Conspicuous STUPIDITY" If there Isn't a law against that? There Ought to BE!
12-18-2010, 02:57 PM
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it's not an incredible tolerance to illness. I havent has a sick day since 1993 after having to be "borescoped" (would'a rather BEEN Ill than to do THAT!) I can't tell you I felt GOOD every day. I just didn't feel Bad enough to say I was actually SICK! Most of it is a personal committment to Honor. If I needed a day off then I asked for one and I got one. I used my personal Holidays mainly. My bosses KNEW that unless I needed a day off? I wouldn't ask for one. And the "Lames" I worked for that Didn't? They were always set straight becaue My atendance was ALWAYS better than theirs! And they KNEW I KNEW that too. You guys have people's Lives you're responsible for I'd better NOT find out these Buttwipes EVER forced a pilot to FLY under "threat". Hell! I'd PERSONALLY sue them for "Conspicuous STUPIDITY" If there Isn't a law against that? There Ought to BE!
it's not an incredible tolerance to illness. I havent has a sick day since 1993 after having to be "borescoped" (would'a rather BEEN Ill than to do THAT!) I can't tell you I felt GOOD every day. I just didn't feel Bad enough to say I was actually SICK! Most of it is a personal committment to Honor. If I needed a day off then I asked for one and I got one. I used my personal Holidays mainly. My bosses KNEW that unless I needed a day off? I wouldn't ask for one. And the "Lames" I worked for that Didn't? They were always set straight becaue My atendance was ALWAYS better than theirs! And they KNEW I KNEW that too. You guys have people's Lives you're responsible for I'd better NOT find out these Buttwipes EVER forced a pilot to FLY under "threat". Hell! I'd PERSONALLY sue them for "Conspicuous STUPIDITY" If there Isn't a law against that? There Ought to BE!
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