Scope buster bagtags!
#41
dojet,
The basic answer to your question is:
1-C-1-d Number of Block Hours of Feeder Flying
In each calendar year, the number of scheduled block
hours of Feeder Flying may not exceed the number of
scheduled block hours of Company Flying.
I know, hard to believe isn't it. As 30 alluded to, that limit has been reached/potentially exceeded.
I'm not familiar enough with the "connection" aspect to comment.
Frats,
Lee
The basic answer to your question is:
1-C-1-d Number of Block Hours of Feeder Flying
In each calendar year, the number of scheduled block
hours of Feeder Flying may not exceed the number of
scheduled block hours of Company Flying.
I know, hard to believe isn't it. As 30 alluded to, that limit has been reached/potentially exceeded.
I'm not familiar enough with the "connection" aspect to comment.
Frats,
Lee
I am scratching my head because these 70-seat carriers are not Continental Express carriers because those are forbidden in our contract. The only thing the company could try to do would be to put the CO code on these flights in partnership with UAL since there cannot be a strictly CO 70-seat jet operation. That leaves them only as a UAL flight.
I hope I am making my questions and observations clear.
#42
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Joined APC: Oct 2010
Position: 737 capt
Posts: 335
You're right if they don't market it as a codeshare or a CAL flight number and simply market it as UA they aren't in scope trouble at CAL. But it would show up oddly on res system and flights wouldn"t market well. Might not be profitable.
Heard the hearing wen't well for our side managements two witnesses were weak, a marketing guy and a guy who negotiated the scope. Whats the marketing guy going to say? " Yes we should get to fly where we want" What a waste of peoples time and the negotiator said " well we meant it to allow 70 seaters to fly in CAL hubs" on cross ALPA asked does it say that in the contract his answer " NO". Never know though how these are going to turn out.
30west
Heard the hearing wen't well for our side managements two witnesses were weak, a marketing guy and a guy who negotiated the scope. Whats the marketing guy going to say? " Yes we should get to fly where we want" What a waste of peoples time and the negotiator said " well we meant it to allow 70 seaters to fly in CAL hubs" on cross ALPA asked does it say that in the contract his answer " NO". Never know though how these are going to turn out.
30west
#43
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Nov 2010
Posts: 3,071
Heard the hearing wen't well for our side managements two witnesses were weak, a marketing guy and a guy who negotiated the scope. Whats the marketing guy going to say? " Yes we should get to fly where we want" What a waste of peoples time and the negotiator said " well we meant it to allow 70 seaters to fly in CAL hubs" on cross ALPA asked does it say that in the contract his answer " NO". Never know though how these are going to turn out.
30west
30west
#45
I have yet to see the "scope buster" sticker and if any of our pilots are sporting them I 100% support anyone who denies them a ride.
got scope? Oval Sticker > got scope? : got scope?
I purchased a box of 50 and will be passing them around.
got scope? Oval Sticker > got scope? : got scope?
I purchased a box of 50 and will be passing them around.
#46
1-C-1-f Feeder Carrier Operation of Small Jets Larger
than 50 Seats
A Feeder Carrier may perform Feeder Flying operating
Small Jets with a certificated seating capacity in excess of
fifty (50) seats if it also provides job opportunities to
furloughed United Pilots in accordance with Letter of
Agreement 03-22.
Again, unbelievable, I know.
Frats,
Lee
#47
Then with the revelation that the UAX feeders are up against the maximum limit on block hours, I am curious if the recent XJT expansion in ORD is going to offset anything? Is this purely replacement of the flying MESA did or is this flying being taken over by XJT 50-seat jets so that the 70-seat jets can be moved into other parts of the system (i.e. EWR and IAH)? Just wondering if moving pieces around the system keeps them under the block cap. From what has been stated above by some, it sounds like they can't add any more UAX flights so all this flying has to be CO flying?
I am scratching my head because these 70-seat carriers are not Continental Express carriers because those are forbidden in our contract. The only thing the company could try to do would be to put the CO code on these flights in partnership with UAL since there cannot be a strictly CO 70-seat jet operation. That leaves them only as a UAL flight.
I hope I am making my questions and observations clear.
I am scratching my head because these 70-seat carriers are not Continental Express carriers because those are forbidden in our contract. The only thing the company could try to do would be to put the CO code on these flights in partnership with UAL since there cannot be a strictly CO 70-seat jet operation. That leaves them only as a UAL flight.
I hope I am making my questions and observations clear.
Frats,
Lee
#48
I have yet to see the "scope buster" sticker and if any of our pilots are sporting them I 100% support anyone who denies them a ride.
got scope? Oval Sticker > got scope? : got scope?
I purchased a box of 50 and will be passing them around.
got scope? Oval Sticker > got scope? : got scope?
I purchased a box of 50 and will be passing them around.
Thanks for the link. My wife might look good in that thong...........
Frats,
Lee
#49
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Joined APC: Feb 2006
Position: DD->DH->RU/XE soon to be EV
Posts: 3,732
I am curious if the recent XJT expansion in ORD is going to offset anything? Is this purely replacement of the flying MESA did or is this flying being taken over by XJT 50-seat jets so that the 70-seat jets can be moved into other parts of the system (i.e. EWR and IAH)? Just wondering if moving pieces around the system keeps them under the block cap. From what has been stated above by some, it sounds like they can't add any more UAX flights so all this flying has to be CO flying?
Although the planes are "heading to ORD", it's to fill the void of SkyWest planes going to the current CAL hubs. Flying is increasing out of IAD as well, and DEN is starts seeing XJT flying starting in January. Again, to fill the void of the 70 seaters leaving current UAL flying for the CAL flying.
#50
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Sep 2008
Posts: 239
Would much prefer the mainline had ALL regional flying...Pipe dream, but a guy has to have something to hang onto in this jacked up business! BTW, I REALLY hated to see the 737 go at UAL, especially given it's long history there...
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