CAL-UAL, who needs it?
11-10-2010, 06:02 AM
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Sure. Thanks to Age 65, retirements start kicking back in in 2012. Between 2012 and 2020 UAL projects 1910 retirements, CAL 1777. That's an average of 212.2/yr. for UAL and 197.5/yr. at CAL. UAL has about 6497 active pilots and CAL 4804. That means an average retirement per annum of 3.2% at UAL vs. 4.1% at CAL. If you want to include the UAL furloughees, the percentage retirement at UAL decreases much further.
Unless your on a MC, none of us will have anything to say about it and I won't debate it any further. My point is that I think some CAL guys are getting tired of hearing their career expectations are so paltry compared to those on the UAL list. We disagree. Most are willing to let the arbitrator hash it out when the time comes (and it will), but keep hammering on the lofty UAL career expecations
and there will be more CAL guys willing to sit on POS 02 indefinitely.
Unless your on a MC, none of us will have anything to say about it and I won't debate it any further. My point is that I think some CAL guys are getting tired of hearing their career expectations are so paltry compared to those on the UAL list. We disagree. Most are willing to let the arbitrator hash it out when the time comes (and it will), but keep hammering on the lofty UAL career expecations
and there will be more CAL guys willing to sit on POS 02 indefinitely.
11-10-2010, 07:15 AM
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CLE 737 CA 7/98
GUM 737 CA 5/05
IAH 737 CA 11/98
IAH 756 CA 5/90
IAH 777 CA 10/84
IAH 787 CA 6/84
EWR 737 CA 8/98
EWR 756 CA 10/95
EWR 777 CA 3/86
11-10-2010, 07:37 AM
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Just so everybody is on the same page here, those are the junior pilots who were able to bid into those bases. There are junior captains who were already in many of those bases, in some cases by a few years.
11-10-2010, 07:47 AM
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As far as the B787.....not here, not flying in our colors.....won't even go there as far as 'dates'....thus I did NOT post them (dates).
11-10-2010, 08:33 AM
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Not sure about the discrepancy, or why it even matters, but hjflyer is correct as there are '98 hire EWR 756 captains who have been in the seat for over three years.
11-10-2010, 10:31 AM
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Sure. Thanks to Age 65, retirements start kicking back in in 2012. Between 2012 and 2020 UAL projects 1910 retirements, CAL 1777. That's an average of 212.2/yr. for UAL and 197.5/yr. at CAL. UAL has about 6497 active pilots and CAL 4804. That means an average retirement per annum of 3.2% at UAL vs. 4.1% at CAL. If you want to include the UAL furloughees, the percentage retirement at UAL decreases much further.
Unless your on a MC, none of us will have anything to say about it and I won't debate it any further. My point is that I think some CAL guys are getting tired of hearing their career expectations are so paltry compared to those on the UAL list. We disagree. Most are willing to let the arbitrator hash it out when the time comes (and it will), but keep hammering on the lofty UAL career expecations and there will be more CAL guys willing to sit on POS 02 indefinitely.
Unless your on a MC, none of us will have anything to say about it and I won't debate it any further. My point is that I think some CAL guys are getting tired of hearing their career expectations are so paltry compared to those on the UAL list. We disagree. Most are willing to let the arbitrator hash it out when the time comes (and it will), but keep hammering on the lofty UAL career expecations
and there will be more CAL guys willing to sit on POS 02 indefinitely.RETIREMENTS PER YEAR AT AGE 65
UAL CAL
2012 - 263 7
2013 - 235 183
2014 - 231 198
2015 - 201 186
2016 - 167 205
2017 - 228 210
2018 - 246 180
2019 - 239 194
2020 - 271 169
2021 - 330 188
2022 - 305 180
2023 - 383 187
2024 - 356 154
2025 - 461 156
2026 - 508 166
2027 - 503 167
2028 - 574 204
2029 - 539 154
2030 - 561 170
2031 - 407 119
11-10-2010, 11:47 AM
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Stand corrected, thanks for the follow-up.
11-10-2010, 12:30 PM
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OK, maybe I am missing something or just not picked up on it before.
Yes, I know the system bid is what will happen in the future and not current. If those people on the system bid that I listed above are the most junior people showing staffed/awarded in each captain's seat, how is it that someone JUNIOR to those people could possibly hold captain and be holding it for as long as some have stated? Please explain to me as this is a serious question that maybe I need to figure out for bidding purposes.
Yes, I know the system bid is what will happen in the future and not current. If those people on the system bid that I listed above are the most junior people showing staffed/awarded in each captain's seat, how is it that someone JUNIOR to those people could possibly hold captain and be holding it for as long as some have stated? Please explain to me as this is a serious question that maybe I need to figure out for bidding purposes.
11-10-2010, 01:34 PM
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If those people on the system bid that I listed above are the most junior people showing staffed/awarded in each captain's seat, how is it that someone JUNIOR to those people could possibly hold captain and be holding it for as long as some have stated? Please explain to me as this is a serious question that maybe I need to figure out for bidding purposes.
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