rogual

We should all let our reps know that this public discourse by leadership bashing the other side needs to stop. Also if you're at UAL, tell em they better not sell the junior guys down the river again. I say sign the SLI isn't connected to JCBA letter and band the 747 and 777 together and let's MOVE ON to the important fight. Negotiating a kick a$$ JCBA!

Fritzthepilot

The pay band issue does not end with the 777/400.

Regarding the JCBA being used to direct the SLI, I agree. DAL/NWA did not use the JCBA in the SLI and the process ran smoothly.

Fritz

Coto Pilot

Does anyone have the details of how the Delta NorthWest merger actually occured? I thought that I had heard that Delta negotiated a contract with the Delta pilots before the merge date and that the NorthWest pilots just accepted the contract. It was in the Delta pilots interest to band the 777/400 becuase they didn't have 400's at the time.

bearcat

Just because it wasn't used at one place, doesn't mean it wont be used at another. EVERYTHING is up for argument for the SLI. There is NO way around that.

chuckyt1

We should be arguing for an industry leading contract, no matter the effect on SLI.

If banding is industry leading, then band the pay rates. If not, then unband them and let SLI fall where it may.

Enough of the rhetoric, industry leading JCBA. Nothing else should matter - At this point...

HSLD

I think every line pilot has in mind what a potential JCBA needs to contain to gain approval. No doubt that it will be different things to different people based on seniority, and that's a good thing. The idea that a JCBA will have to "lift all boats" across the pilot spectrum will actually prove to be a benefit in the long run. I am impressed that for most of the guys and gals I talk to - pay is not top on the list.

Letting the SLI fall where it may sound good in terms of moving forward, but like we've heard: "contracts come and go, but seniority lasts forever". It's obviously the responsibility of each MEC to advocate as strongly as possible in favor of their constituent groups in the spirit of Duty of Fair Representation. Ultimately, the posturing will be finished and the mediator will decide what the SLI looks like. I just hope both MECs can keep the necessary fight above board.

Fritzthepilot

If the construction of the JCBA is to be used in the final determination of the SLI, I'm afraid we are headed down the road of USAir. Do you really think that ALPA wants the JCBA to be used as a tool against one another in the SLI?

There needs to be give and take on all parts. Some form of banding has been agreed to. They key is where the fleets align within the bands and will that be used against United in the SLI?

Emphatic terms like '"NO" and "EVERYTHING" serve to benefit neither group in this process.

Fritz

Tony Nelson

1. Can we just work on getting a great JCBA that reigns in Scope, improves Work Rules and Raises Compensation and forget about all the petty bickering.
2. Then send the SLI to the arbitrator and let the chips fall where they may.

If we get #1 then every pilots seniority will improve.(ie recall furloughs and hire of street)
The only thing I ask for are some good domicile/base fences.

SUPERfluf

Acutally, this would be another 'mistruth' from the UAL MEC.
The JCBA (along with the pre-merger contracts and merger LOAs) was included in the DAL/NWA SLI arbitration.

http://www.airlinepilotforums.com/ca...tml#post894535

Quoted from that post:

Neal Schwartz

This isn't a factual statement Fritz. Please see Section XI, Paragraph C.1 through C.4 of the Ground Rules For The Northwest-Delta Pilot Seniority Integration Arbitration, pasted below.

-Neal