250 or point 65

I'm pretty sure you completely missed his sarcasm...

However, you need to get it through your holier-than-thou head that

we . don't . want . these . jobs .

What many mainline pilots fail to understand is that we don't want these jobs. We want jobs at mainline. We want YOU to stand up to get the jobs back that MAINLINE pilots gave away. We want mainline pilots to finally realize that scope is the reason YOU are out of a job and the reason WE are stuck in a system that REQUIRES us to work at regionals to be deemed worthy to be hired by mainline.

What you seem to think: The reason you are on the street is that regional pilots are eager to fly your airplane for half as much and the solution is for regional pilots to band together and not go to work.

What the reality is: The reason you are on the street is because mainline pilots did not secure scope and forced us to work for half as much because they relinquished jobs and the solution is for mainline pilots to band together and fight Management for scope both in the new JCBA as well as the current CBA's - including this obvious CAL scope violation.

(PS, aren't you the guy who is so pro GJ? The ones who are outsourcing outsourced flying? If not, forgive me)

stylie310

I personally feel that the way that this will go down is that the Skywest guys that bid IAH for Jan 1st will fall on the sword. That list will be distributed and the CAL guys will decide how to proceed. My guess it will not be a career enhancer. They will show the CAL guys that they are completely incapable of maintaining situational awareness in a time where tensions are riding high, and they will show a complete lack of empathy for their fellow pilot. As for the junior guys that may be forced to fly in and out of IAH, I don't think I would worry too much about it, but the guys that purposely bid IAH will attract attention.

dosbo

lf you don't want these jobs then why are you flying them.

I did not give my job away, or vote it away, it was taken away by management and given to someone willing to do it for less.

ALPA has not been able to make any progress on scope because they are representing both sides mainline and regional, in my opinion an obvious conflict of intrest.

As far as the GoJet comment, If I told you what I thought of them I would probably get banned from this site.

Holier than thou attitude? After watching over ten years of my life, effort and sacrifice for a decent career flushed down the toilet I'm just PI**ED OFF.

250 or point 65

Because mainline pilots have given away so many jobs and the only way to get to mainline is to put in the time at a regional.

I agree with you that you should be p'd off, but your anger is completely misdirected. You and I are in the same boat. We both want to fly at mainline, but the jobs just aren't there right now...and it's because of scope. Period.

And to prove this is not a thread drift, THIS is why CAL ALPA should be fighting this flying. Its a violation of scope.

Captain Bligh

May I suggest that if you find yourself in the unfortunate position of being denied access to a jumpseat in this battle, that you consider yourself an unfortunate but necessary collateral damage casualty in a much bigger and more important jihad?

For many inconvenient political snares, ALPA may choose not to fight this war in a traditional manor. Alternatively, the mainline pilots full well know the "camel’s nose under the tent precedent", that this scope violation sets. Without stronger NATIONAL union leadership however, the only tool the line pilot has, is to create a situation that management has to deal with. Want to see management second guess themselves? Those nasty people that comprise those finger pointing delay meetings, make some real uncomfortable situations for your chief pilots who ultimately will have to give an account as to why all the feeder flights that violate scope seem to push late.

“Corner a dog in a dead-end street and it will turn and bite.”
Chinese proverb

SoCalGuy

Excerpt for the CAL ALPA LEC 171 IAH 11/07
Reading the bottom paragraph pretty much alludes to what CAL ALPA is "thinking" about doing with their options that are on the table regarding the 70 Seater's coming to IAH.....You be the judge for yourself.

"The fact that our management is trying to circumvent our Section One: SCOPE by planning to put the CAL code on SKYWEST 70 seat RJ flights in our hubs and a crew base in our hub early next year is unconscionable. (Similar is happening in EWR with shuttle America.) I know you have read that our union is working this problem at an MEC level, and I fully support their efforts. Last week your union asked management to explain how these flights can be operated in compliance with our CBA. I have been told that their response has been as underwhelming as their opening contract proposal. Our Master Chairman spent the week with the Chairman of the Alliance Oversight Committee, Alfredo Suarez, and our legal advisors. They received management’s explanation as to why they believe this flying can be accomplished in compliance with our Scope provisions early last week and are working on a response. They hope to finish it today and report to you all the essence of the content and how it is received at some point in the near future. We can only hope management sees it our way or, as Chairman Pierce has said, we will use every legal means available to stop these egregious actions.

The SPSC has been directed to formulate a response intended to show management, the media and the traveling public our outrage at management’s actions and our displeasure with management’s outdated philosophy concerning outsourcing. Your MEC will review the details of these plans as part of a Special MEC meeting scheduled for next week. With regards to the pilots of SKYWEST and the rumor of jump seat issues, all I can say is that we are not at that point—YET. Keep in mind, however, SKYWEST has voted down ALPA representation on several occasions. I’m hoping they are starting to realize the detriment to their careers should they choose to fly stolen work. Captain Pierce has requested Captain Prater’s approval to reach out to the SKYWEST Pilots’ Association leadership so that they are fully aware of our position regarding this flying. "

gettinbumped

If you don't mind me asking... when were you hired at Skywest? If you are junior to 2003, then you were hired knowing full well that you were a replacement for a mainline guy/gal who is still on the street flying old mainline routes in mainline paint. You say you don't want the job, but ANY pilot that ends up in IAH and was forced to go down there falls into that category, so you DID want the job... After all, you applied for it!

If you are an old timer at Skywest, this doesn't apply to you, though your career progression has been immeasurably better because of this replacement flying, which is by definition your reason for existence. I know that things got comfy enough recently that many long timers decided to stay put rather than look elsewhere for work because they didn't want to start over on the bottom. Therefore, they obviously want bigger planes, flying more routes. But each and every bigger plane and new route is at the expense of someone else's job. Unfortunately, that's the consequence of applying for, and getting hired at, an outfit that has someone else's paint on the plane.

Bigshooter107

If there is a position on refusing jumpseat access, I would not be surprised to see UAL/skywest management positive space pilots to from domiciles to counter any negative effects on the operation. U got to think outside the box. D

Captain Bligh

And that is exactly the way to fight this fight.

Imagine pilot management explaining to maintenance management and gate agent supervisors why pilots get out of seniority boarding priority. These are nasty, greedy, vindictive and hateful people. Let's at least force them to interact with themselves.

iahflyr

Your post is spot on. I can't believe some of the responses on this thread. I know this is not the most ideal situation, but we shouldn't be taking out our anger on Skywest pilots. We should be focusing our efforts on the company and take it to court if we have to.

In close to 20 years I have denied a jumpseat once. It was too someone who was really rude to a gate agent and flight attendant. If I hear a CAL pilot denying a jumpseat to a Skywest pilot trying to get to work, I'm going to put the CAL pilots name on my do not jumpseat list.

Skywest pilots, you are always welcome on my jumpseat.