Captain Bligh

So don't do it. Or are you saying "Almost nobody, but there are just a few that are eager at the opportunity"?

Captain Bligh

Chartered Non-Rev only flights to bring in pilots? The economy is tight, kids want to fly bad enough, if they told them move there or no job, they would all move. What a shame the MECs have recently demonstrated such dysfunction and non-unity. This would be a great time to shine with some real leadership... hint.

SoCalGuy

+1 to Bligh.

Last time I checked Dash, no one from Pol Pot's Khmer Rouge is holding a gun to your head for the Death March.....and the "Were not Unionized" at SkyWest, doesn't hold water in my book either.

Believe me, the UAL pilot group already knows the outcome of this style of tactic, and the alternative is grim. Banded vs Unbanded?? That's child's play....SCOPE is ONE thing we ALL see eye to eye on.....Let the games begin.

Good luck on that.

dosbo

That would mean they would have to move for thier job. Maybe they would have to evaluate if the job paid enough to justify that disruption to thier life and family if they can even afford to have one. If they are subsidising the crappi wages with the spouses good income then they won't move. What a shame, every other profession that is worth moving for pays enough to justify the move and the disruption to thier life. Why continue to make it easy to have our jobs outsourced.

Bring that flying in-house and the problem will be solved. Furloughs returned and more pilots hired at a major for a career that has actual growth opportunities for a lifetime, maybe.

You are right this profession is in serious need of leadership from both the union and management.

gettinbumped

I'm glad you posted this 757Driver. To me it brings to light the fact that we should STOP the bickering about banding, and return our focus to getting the JCBA done STAT with Scope nailed down. I keep hearing that the CAL guys are on their forums saying "take your time.. no rush" to getting this deal done, so hopefully THIS arrogant move by management will change that philosophy.

By the way, Skywest is shrinking its ORD presence by about half to move the airplanes down to IAH. Clearly its the CAL pilots who are going to lose in this latest Scope nightmare. The only way I see to stem this tide is refocus on the SCOPE in our JCBA and move past this ridiculous banding vs. unbanding issue. KILL the 70's.

luv757

+1. I won't launch into my feeling on it here but this is the REAL threat here boys. Not a couple of bucks an hour on an airplane but getting ZERO bucks an hour because the job got outsourced, or taking a huge hit in pay as you move to the right seat from the left seat.

SoCalGuy

Yep....first to raise my hand on that.

I don't fly the 'short bus', nor am I a Mensa Scholar......but I know one thing......you have to be/remain on property first in order to collect in the riches/rates/benefits of any future JCBA (regardless of pay structure).

No qualms about it, we are seriously on 'hells brink' concerning SCOPE as it relates to this new company and the entire industry from this point forward.

Golden Bear

Be sure to deny the entire pre-merger UAL pilot-group who negotiated and voted for a contract that allowed such UEX flying in the first place. You know, the only ones in this whole drama who could have prevented this flying.

That'll show 'em.

strfyr51

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Contrary to popular belief, SMISEK is the CEO, BUT NOT the Chairman and Won't be for the next 2 years. Let him NOT stay with the "Corporate LINE" as far as the scope stands as it is today? And you'll see HIM leaving as for "other opportunities" as "mysteriously" as your Former CEO left. Tilton doesn't CARE what Smisek's ideas are, And? For the next 2 years Smisek will be "Grinning and Bearing it". Unlesss you guys NEGOTIATE the scope restrictions away? They won't be going Anywhere!! So what you guys might need to do is quit "haggling" about Nothing and Start worrying about SOMETHING because Scope is going to bite you in the Butt a damn sight Harder than whether Banding the 747/777 is viable.. Maybe you didn't live through the 1113 hearings but let me make this PERFECTLY clear. Tilton is EVERY BIT as sharp as ANYBODY in ALPA and TWICE as Treacherous. You'd better be getting up Earlier and staying up LATER if you plan to best him. "Just a word to the wise".

ron kent

I think glenn is the "non-executive" chairman so who knows what the real power structure behind the mgt curtain is. You are spot on about scope because no matter who is calling the shots, they are going to do whatever they want untill we have a JCBA. We can slam the barn door as hard as we want but it will not do us any good 6 months from now..... the horses are going to be long gone.