What to do about Contract Violation
11-21-2010, 06:05 PM
#161
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Well, they are fighting this and have demanded an arbitration over the issue. Both sides are going to go in and argue their position and the arbitrator will decide who is right regarding the scope interpretation. So, if the arbitrator decides for the company, you are going to blame Jay Pierce and ALPA. If the arbitrator decides for CAL ALPA in this matter, will you give credit for them doing something to protect our contract? Something tell me you won't.
Bph320 said...
"Don't worry. ALPA National is looking out for our best interests."
Oh really! You have got to be kidding. Give me a list of what ALPA has accomplished in the last 10 years. Our best interests are last on their list.
11-22-2010, 05:16 AM
#162
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...... We have done nothing but go backwards.
Bph320 said...
"Don't worry. ALPA National is looking out for our best interests."
Oh really! You have got to be kidding. Give me a list of what ALPA has accomplished in the last 10 years. Our best interests are last on their list.
Bph320 said...
"Don't worry. ALPA National is looking out for our best interests."
Oh really! You have got to be kidding. Give me a list of what ALPA has accomplished in the last 10 years. Our best interests are last on their list.
11-27-2010, 06:54 AM
#163
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Obviously when I said ALPA is looking out for our best interests some thought I was actually serious. Sarcasm is sometimes doesn't come across in writing. I am not too thrilled about ALPA. They have proven long ago that as far as ALPA National is concerned, UAL pilots are on their own. They wrote us off with no assistance during 2003 while giving NWA and Delta financial help during their chapter 11 process. ALPA's big pitch for everyone being in the same association is so that if one group goes on strike they can rely on all other ALPA carriers for Strike Assessment assistance. Now ALPA doesn't have to start writing strike assistant checks until a pilot group is out for 30 days. Then they have to go get money from everyone else. Now how many days was the 1985 UAL strike? 29 days! I wonder why? ALPA could not afford to assist 5000 UAL pilots then. What is the likelihood they can support 10 ,000? I believe we need our own representation ASAP. We are in a custody battle for OUR domestic flying and we are relying on our spouses attorney to represent us. ALPA does not support our best interests. I dont need my union representing the express side of the debate.
Im sure I have just ****ed off a few fundamentalist extremist ALPA die hards. For them criticizing the union is like criticizing Islam. I better be careful, my car might get vandalized.
Im sure I have just ****ed off a few fundamentalist extremist ALPA die hards. For them criticizing the union is like criticizing Islam. I better be careful, my car might get vandalized.
Last edited by Bph320; 11-27-2010 at 09:01 AM.
11-27-2010, 08:09 AM
#164
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This is spot on. For the most part, I think he is an idiot, but there was an eye-opening report published a few months ago by Boyd, the guy who projects the direction of the airline business landscape. If you read his stuff, he makes a very good case that it is going to become far more expensive for majors to run things under the current Major/Regional system because the cost savings are nowhere near as much as they were for the past 20 years. For example, from the perspective of a SCUMBAG AIRLINE MANAGER, would it be cheaper to pay regional carriers who have a growing cancer of 10-15 year employees or to bring those routes back to mainline, re-hire the now unemployed regional pilots as new hires, and have them fly the same routes they were flying before but with a big pay cut and 2-3 weeks less vacation than they have now?
So, SCUMBAG MANAGEMENT is pulling this ruse to get everyone to believe they really want to continue the current set-up as is. What really is going on is the SCUMBAG MANAGEMENT is looking for a lesser JCBA in order to "surrender" something to mainline pilots that they already intend to surrender anyway. They want every mainline pilot to pay a price to head the industry in a direction that they (SCUMBAG MANAGEMENT) already know makes sense for industry to head.
Almost makes your head spin what a mind-**** this actually is.
So, SCUMBAG MANAGEMENT is pulling this ruse to get everyone to believe they really want to continue the current set-up as is. What really is going on is the SCUMBAG MANAGEMENT is looking for a lesser JCBA in order to "surrender" something to mainline pilots that they already intend to surrender anyway. They want every mainline pilot to pay a price to head the industry in a direction that they (SCUMBAG MANAGEMENT) already know makes sense for industry to head.
Almost makes your head spin what a mind-**** this actually is.
that's the BEST analogy I've seen Yet! Tilton is a Brilliant "ALL about Money" Man, and Smisek is reportedly a Brilliant Lawyer. Does anyone Believe for ONE Minute they didn't already have this "cooked up"?? Makes you Winder WHY 2 General Counsel VP's have decided to Leave UAL in the past few months doesn't it?? Both with Weak excuses like "My Daughter didn't want to move to Chicago" and "Uprooting my Life was Unfair to my Family" Oh "Boo Hoo" Could it be they left bacuse the "Skulduggery" to BECOME was too much for them to BEAR???
11-28-2010, 06:00 AM
#165
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Do tell what financial help NWA received during our gang rape?
Obviously when I said ALPA is looking out for our best interests some thought I was actually serious. Sarcasm is sometimes doesn't come across in writing. I am not too thrilled about ALPA. They have proven long ago that as far as ALPA National is concerned, UAL pilots are on their own. They wrote us off with no assistance during 2003 while giving NWA and Delta financial help during their chapter 11 process. ALPA's big pitch for everyone being in the same association is so that if one group goes on strike they can rely on all other ALPA carriers for Strike Assessment assistance. Now ALPA doesn't have to start writing strike assistant checks until a pilot group is out for 30 days. Then they have to go get money from everyone else. Now how many days was the 1985 UAL strike? 29 days! I wonder why? ALPA could not afford to assist 5000 UAL pilots then. What is the likelihood they can support 10 ,000? I believe we need our own representation ASAP. We are in a custody battle for OUR domestic flying and we are relying on our spouses attorney to represent us. ALPA does not support our best interests. I dont need my union representing the express side of the debate.
Im sure I have just ****ed off a few fundamentalist extremist ALPA die hards. For them criticizing the union is like criticizing Islam. I better be careful, my car might get vandalized.
Im sure I have just ****ed off a few fundamentalist extremist ALPA die hards. For them criticizing the union is like criticizing Islam. I better be careful, my car might get vandalized.
11-29-2010, 01:44 PM
#167
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Position: A-320 Capt
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TW
11-29-2010, 04:53 PM
#168
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I don't believe denying anyone a jumpseat is the solution. I do believe that United pilots again flying routes that were replaced by Express is the solution, and if a particular route is best served by a small jet, I believe it should be flown by United pilots. The means to the end is that UA would eventually grow and prosper, and when they start hiring again, you'd be interviewed for a pilot position.
That post was meant to be taken in jest.
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