Mgt JCBA Proposal - Oct 28,2010
10-31-2010, 11:27 AM
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10-31-2010, 11:28 AM
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Grow up? I've obviously struck a nerve with you.
Please point out the name that I called Tilton.
He laid out his OPINIONS. Just because you guys think alike doesn't make his opinions FACTUAL. Anyone who thinks Tilton 'led' anything or anyone is out of touch. That, my friend, is a FACT.
10-31-2010, 11:32 AM
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Holy Crap!!! If your post wasn't so idiotic it would be funny
. First off, Tilton was instrumental in PUTTING UAL into BK. He pooched the ATSB loan application (I don't think he wanted it anyway). Make no mistake, he was brought here because UAL was heading into BK. The truly ridiculous thing you kept repeating in the same sentence as Tilton is the word 'led'. What a joke. Tilton didn't lead anything or anybody. He is the antithesis of a leader. He is the consumate manager, and UAL succeeded in SPITE of Tilton. The real crime is that he was unable to do MORE with all of the advantages he had. He is a liar that has no morals or integrity. So he did exactly what he was supposed to do...that doesn't make him a good CEO. A real CEO and LEADER could have do SO much better. I have nothing but disgust for Tilton.
. First off, Tilton was instrumental in PUTTING UAL into BK. He pooched the ATSB loan application (I don't think he wanted it anyway). Make no mistake, he was brought here because UAL was heading into BK. The truly ridiculous thing you kept repeating in the same sentence as Tilton is the word 'led'. What a joke. Tilton didn't lead anything or anybody. He is the antithesis of a leader. He is the consumate manager, and UAL succeeded in SPITE of Tilton. The real crime is that he was unable to do MORE with all of the advantages he had. He is a liar that has no morals or integrity. So he did exactly what he was supposed to do...that doesn't make him a good CEO. A real CEO and LEADER could have do SO much better. I have nothing but disgust for Tilton.In one sentence you say that Tilton "was instrumental in putting UAL into BK." A couple sentences later you say, "he was brought here because UAL was heading into BK."
You need to go back and reread the ALPA talking points. You've got them mixed up or something.
"Unity, Unity!"
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10-31-2010, 11:38 AM
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Originally Posted by iahflyr
Maybe it was because I was a boyscout, and maybe it was because I didn't grow up in a rich family, but I was taught that I am NEVER entitled to anything. I have to earn everything I get. And so far I have.
KC135driver, I don't believe we should earn anything less than our colleagues at the major airlines, I just think we should earn what they are making. If we want to make more, we have to do something to set ourselves apart. I do not believe we should make more than our competition to do the exact same amount of work. That isn't economically smart. It will hurt our company, and that will hurt us in the long run (growth, upgrades, % up the list, etc...)
Southwest pilots make the most in part because they are the most productive pilots. If we want to make what Southwest pilots make, we have to EARN it.
KC135driver, I don't believe we should earn anything less than our colleagues at the major airlines, I just think we should earn what they are making. If we want to make more, we have to do something to set ourselves apart. I do not believe we should make more than our competition to do the exact same amount of work. That isn't economically smart. It will hurt our company, and that will hurt us in the long run (growth, upgrades, % up the list, etc...)
Southwest pilots make the most in part because they are the most productive pilots. If we want to make what Southwest pilots make, we have to EARN it.
You say you feel we should earn what colleagues at other airlines are making. If you don't like how things are going, what do you propose? Should every airline and every contract come due at exactly the same time so that we all get paid the exact same thing always? You know very well that is not going to happen. We are different airlines, with different contracts coming amendable at different times IN DIFFERENT ECONOMIC CONDITIONS.
We have finally made it through the valley of poor economic times and you feel that as the first major carrier we shouldn't start the upward process of recovering wages? What is your ideal? Do you see us maintaining the status quo and then in three or four years once all the other airlines have made gains maybe then we should consider we are under paid and move up to their new average? You are management's wet dream. You try to back up what appears to be logical thought with purely illogical reasoning.
None of us is out to ruin a company financially. We all want our company to succeed, but we want to be rewarded for our investment and contribution to making the company succeed. In your view, it's ok that during years of loss the company pays no profit sharing but management can get paid bonuses for losing less many than the previous quarters/years.
Originally Posted by JetDaily
ALPA, and their ilk, is EVERYTHING I have taught my children NOT to be ! !
10-31-2010, 11:39 AM
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He is NOT Chris.
He is NOT Chris.
He is NOT Chris.
He is NOT Chris.
He is NOT Chris.
Saying it enough times makes it true right?
Sorta figured you might take a fancy to the IAHFLYR.
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10-31-2010, 11:42 AM
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In one sentence you say that Tilton "was instrumental in putting UAL into BK." A couple sentences later you say, "he was brought here because UAL was heading into BK."
You need to go back and reread the ALPA talking points. You've got them mixed up or something.
"Unity, Unity!"
I am STILL LMFAO ! ! !
You need to go back and reread the ALPA talking points. You've got them mixed up or something.
"Unity, Unity!"
I am STILL LMFAO ! ! !
I'm glad you're laughing, I hope it helps you cope.
I must have missed the post where you called out iahflyr for his inaccurate statement regarding when Tilton came to UAL.
10-31-2010, 11:44 AM
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Actually he's Carl!
10-31-2010, 12:00 PM
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That's good, Axl...YOU SHOW THOSE BA$TARDS!!! You've got 'em right where you want 'em, no doubt!! atta boy!! I haven't heard such tough talk since the 9th grade when Joey Hicks swore he was going to kick my a$$ for taking his seat in the lunch room!! Yes sir, you are one tough dude!
I guess you aren't going to address the main topic of the post? It's comical how you use 9th grade debate techniques to avoid backing up your claims while accusing OTHERS of being juvenile
So please, oh enlightened one, address the points I brought up so I can see how wrong I have been.
10-31-2010, 12:20 PM
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I don't care what impact it has on my or any other airline union, good or bad. There are much more important issues in our country. I would like our current president and all of his baggage to go away.
Last edited by rodlayman; 10-31-2010 at 12:21 PM. Reason: sp
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