Mgt JCBA Proposal - Oct 28,2010
10-30-2010, 04:23 PM
#51
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You're calling me a troll? I just looked that word up in the dictionary. You really think I am a supernatural creature of Scandinavian folklore? I am not sure how you come up with that description based on any of my posts here. You must have an interesting thought process.
JD
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Nope, you arent a troll. Just a Scab wanna-be a**hole. Hopefully that will get this thread shut down so I can stop reading your crap
10-30-2010, 04:29 PM
#52
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Yes, Skywest is NOT ALPA or any other union! Smart pilots!! How much of YOUR money does ALPA waste each year courting Skywest Pilots? I dare you to ask your rep!! Every year ALPA makes a play for them....every year the pilots of Skywest tell ALPA to shove it ! ! ! AWESOME ! ! !
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10-30-2010, 07:12 PM
#54
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Who's ignorant? UAL just got huge alright. About 20% smaller than in 2001!! Thats right. UAL is smaller now - with CAL - Than 9 years ago. AMR F/As and NWA Pilots both were allowed to strike in the 1990s. AMR was bigger then, than now. So it has EVERYTHING to do with the Pres., and the NMB members that he appoints. Saying that a strike is off the table is just not true. Certainly not "ignorant".
AA pilots suffered a PEB in a democratic white house in the 1990's when there were twice as many carriers.
We may get released down the road, but if a general strike is called it will be less than a week before a PEB is called and we are force fed a CBA by whoever is in the white house. I will still vote no if it does not meet my expectations of what a major airline CBA should entail. If another POS CBA is ratified, I will continue to be sick, tired, late, inefficient, low and fast flying, mx nightmare, scheduling headache, CPO speed dial list, never call ops proactively, run the APU continuously on the ground, no logo lights at the gate, no stinking united jewelry, etc. etc until UAL management gets a clue as to what its pilots can do and how they should be valued and compensated.
10-30-2010, 08:12 PM
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Maybe she is dating Tim Martins...
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10-30-2010, 09:07 PM
#56
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HA HA HA! UAL plus CAL maybe smaller now than UAL in 2001, but UAL plus CAL plus all the RJ's is way bigger. I'd say you may have proved Skippy's last point.
AA pilots suffered a PEB in a democratic white house in the 1990's when there were twice as many carriers.
We may get released down the road, but if a general strike is called it will be less than a week before a PEB is called and we are force fed a CBA by whoever is in the white house. I will still vote no if it does not meet my expectations of what a major airline CBA should entail. If another POS CBA is ratified, I will continue to be sick, tired, late, inefficient, low and fast flying, mx nightmare, scheduling headache, CPO speed dial list, never call ops proactively, run the APU continuously on the ground, no logo lights at the gate, no stinking united jewelry, etc. etc until UAL management gets a clue as to what its pilots can do and how they should be valued and compensated.
AA pilots suffered a PEB in a democratic white house in the 1990's when there were twice as many carriers.
We may get released down the road, but if a general strike is called it will be less than a week before a PEB is called and we are force fed a CBA by whoever is in the white house. I will still vote no if it does not meet my expectations of what a major airline CBA should entail. If another POS CBA is ratified, I will continue to be sick, tired, late, inefficient, low and fast flying, mx nightmare, scheduling headache, CPO speed dial list, never call ops proactively, run the APU continuously on the ground, no logo lights at the gate, no stinking united jewelry, etc. etc until UAL management gets a clue as to what its pilots can do and how they should be valued and compensated.
And need I remind everyone of this...
WASHINGTON (AP) -- A federal court judge is upholding a rule change that will make it easier for unions to organize at Delta and other airlines and railroads.
Last month the National Mediation Board said it would recognize a union if a simple majority of workers vote for it. The old rule required a majority of the entire work force, including nonvoters. That meant that people who didn't vote counted as a vote against the union.
Airlines have fought the change. Their trade group, the Air Transport Association, claimed the federal board didn't have the legal authority to change the rule. It's especially important for Delta Air Lines Inc., which is mostly nonunion.
The Air Transport Association says it has not decided whether to appeal Friday's ruling. >>
This is what happens when a Dem is in office and he appoints a former union chief to the NMB. Even IF Obama invokes a PEB, he is already 10x more labor friendly than the last POTUS. Did you notice who is heading the FAA?
Last edited by jsled; 10-30-2010 at 09:51 PM.
10-30-2010, 09:21 PM
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[QUOTE=JetDaily;893000]Yes, United was big in 2001, but not this big. United did NOT have near this many planes, pilots, FAs or other employee groups. Sorry, the numbers just don't bear that out.
According to United Airlines, they had just over 100,000 employees in 2001. Now they brag about the 80,000 at the new UAL. But don't take their word for it. Take a look at this...
http://web.mit.edu/airlinedata/www/2...quivalents.htm
Although, I will admit that the ASMs of UAL + CAL (and their regionals) is app. 20% greater now than in 2001, I still don't believe that a strike is out of the question. And remember, a PEB is a 60 day cooling off period, it is not permanent.
According to United Airlines, they had just over 100,000 employees in 2001. Now they brag about the 80,000 at the new UAL. But don't take their word for it. Take a look at this...
http://web.mit.edu/airlinedata/www/2...quivalents.htm
Although, I will admit that the ASMs of UAL + CAL (and their regionals) is app. 20% greater now than in 2001, I still don't believe that a strike is out of the question. And remember, a PEB is a 60 day cooling off period, it is not permanent.
Last edited by jsled; 10-30-2010 at 09:52 PM.
10-31-2010, 06:20 AM
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If another POS CBA is ratified, I will continue to be sick, tired, late, inefficient, low and fast flying, mx nightmare, scheduling headache, CPO speed dial list, never call ops proactively, run the APU continuously on the ground, no logo lights at the gate, no stinking united jewelry, etc. etc until UAL management gets a clue as to what its pilots can do and how they should be valued and compensated.
This is why I Hate (with a capitol H) union mob mentality. We didn't get way more than we deserve, so i'm going to damage the company that I should be helping. It is when labor and the company work together that the company prospers and our quality of our compensation can go up. We have to earn that.
The way I see it, I am NOT entitled to anything. I have to earn it. The same goes with my pay. If I want to be compensated at higher than industry average, then we (as a group) have to earn it. We have to do something to set us apart from other carriers that are compensating their pilots a lower amount.
I'm totally against the seniority system, but not for the common reasons. In pretty much every company in the world, the hard workers who do the most to help the company get promoted faster and compensated higher, while the bums like yourself davessn763 get held back, pay cut, or FIRED. The seniority system allows bums like yourself to be compensated based solely on how many years you have worked for a carrier.
I've never understood why other airline pilots feel they should be exempt from typical job standards and the rules of economics.
10-31-2010, 06:30 AM
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You should be fired...
This is why I Hate (with a capitol H) union mob mentality. We didn't get way more than we deserve, so i'm going to damage the company that I should be helping. It is when labor and the company work together that the company prospers and our quality of our compensation can go up. We have to earn that.
The way I see it, I am NOT entitled to anything. I have to earn it. The same goes with my pay. If I want to be compensated at higher than industry average, then we (as a group) have to earn it. We have to do something to set us apart from other carriers that are compensating their pilots a lower amount.
I'm totally against the seniority system, but not for the common reasons. In pretty much every company in the world, the hard workers who do the most to help the company get promoted faster and compensated higher, while the bums like yourself davessn763 get held back, pay cut, or FIRED. The seniority system allows bums like yourself to be compensated based solely on how many years you have worked for a carrier.
I've never understood why other airline pilots feel they should be exempt from typical job standards and the rules of economics.
This is why I Hate (with a capitol H) union mob mentality. We didn't get way more than we deserve, so i'm going to damage the company that I should be helping. It is when labor and the company work together that the company prospers and our quality of our compensation can go up. We have to earn that.
The way I see it, I am NOT entitled to anything. I have to earn it. The same goes with my pay. If I want to be compensated at higher than industry average, then we (as a group) have to earn it. We have to do something to set us apart from other carriers that are compensating their pilots a lower amount.
I'm totally against the seniority system, but not for the common reasons. In pretty much every company in the world, the hard workers who do the most to help the company get promoted faster and compensated higher, while the bums like yourself davessn763 get held back, pay cut, or FIRED. The seniority system allows bums like yourself to be compensated based solely on how many years you have worked for a carrier.
I've never understood why other airline pilots feel they should be exempt from typical job standards and the rules of economics.
Didn't think so. Why do CAL Pilots constantly think "they're not worthy" and your ridiculous "have to earn it" statement is complete crap. Having given up over 1/2 of my A-fund and our UAL brethren losing all of theirs, I'd say we've earned it 10 fold. Smisek on the other hand hasn't earned anything yet he continues to get raise after raise.
I've earned it pal and if you don't think so I'll see you when you try and cross my picket line.
10-31-2010, 06:49 AM
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You should be fired...
This is why I Hate (with a capitol H) union mob mentality. We didn't get way more than we deserve, so i'm going to damage the company that I should be helping. It is when labor and the company work together that the company prospers and our quality of our compensation can go up. We have to earn that.
The way I see it, I am NOT entitled to anything. I have to earn it. The same goes with my pay. If I want to be compensated at higher than industry average, then we (as a group) have to earn it. We have to do something to set us apart from other carriers that are compensating their pilots a lower amount.
I'm totally against the seniority system, but not for the common reasons. In pretty much every company in the world, the hard workers who do the most to help the company get promoted faster and compensated higher, while the bums like yourself davessn763 get held back, pay cut, or FIRED. The seniority system allows bums like yourself to be compensated based solely on how many years you have worked for a carrier.
I've never understood why other airline pilots feel they should be exempt from typical job standards and the rules of economics.
This is why I Hate (with a capitol H) union mob mentality. We didn't get way more than we deserve, so i'm going to damage the company that I should be helping. It is when labor and the company work together that the company prospers and our quality of our compensation can go up. We have to earn that.
The way I see it, I am NOT entitled to anything. I have to earn it. The same goes with my pay. If I want to be compensated at higher than industry average, then we (as a group) have to earn it. We have to do something to set us apart from other carriers that are compensating their pilots a lower amount.
I'm totally against the seniority system, but not for the common reasons. In pretty much every company in the world, the hard workers who do the most to help the company get promoted faster and compensated higher, while the bums like yourself davessn763 get held back, pay cut, or FIRED. The seniority system allows bums like yourself to be compensated based solely on how many years you have worked for a carrier.
I've never understood why other airline pilots feel they should be exempt from typical job standards and the rules of economics.
It is because this is NOT a typical job. We produce nothing, we sell nothing, we cannot offer the company anything with first giving it up. We are standard operating equipment on any aircraft. There is NO way to measure one pilots economic worth compared to the other. I know what your argument is, I've heard already and once again, you CANNOT make us any more productive unless you reduce the number of pilots required or put more passengers in the back. You are trying to combine your obvious disdain for unions with a myopic "fairy-land" view of capitalism and economics way too BROADLY.
I am currently on an island where there is a large port and an interior harbor. Every time a cruise ship, oil freighter or anything else big comes or goes a harbor pilot is guiding that vessel in or out of port? Why, because they offer a skill which mitigates the risk an out-of-port crew might face going into an unfamiliar harbor - THEY ARE MASTERS IN THEIR TRADE AND MAKE A LIVING BY INCREASING SAFETY AND GETTING THE GOODS WHERE THEY NEED TO GO. I have most of a MBA complete, there is ZERO accounting for this intangible benefit to the company- ie we are not factory workers(They make quite a bit more than us too - and no, it is not a union job in the states).
Tell you what, just come in on your next day off, when you have plans with your family. What can't do that? We'll we will have to let you go. We can find plenty of other people willing to do your obviously "easy" job all the time for a much lower price. (This is about as far as you have convinced me). It will never end well for any of us.
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