Japan approves JV between UAL and ANA
10-22-2010, 09:55 AM
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Japan approves JV between UAL and ANA
New 70 seater flying out of EWR and IAH, and now a revenue sharing JV approved in the Pacific. Anyone else feeling the squeeze? If not, I hope you wake up soon.
Without rock solid scope, the JCBA is DOA.
Without rock solid scope, the JCBA is DOA.
Japanese MLIT Approves Immunity Enabling All Nippon Airways Cp., Ltd And United Continental Holdings, Inc.'s United Airlines, Continental Airlines Joint Venture
12:15pm EDT
United Airlines, Continental Airlines and All Nippon Airways Cp., Ltd announced that they were granted antitrust immunity (ATI) by the Japanese Minister of Land, Infrastructure, Transportation and Tourism, in accordance with the Civil Aeronautics Act, enabling the carriers to establish a joint venture and to combine their trans-Pacific networks. The U.S. Dept. of Transportation granted United, Continental and ANA tentative ATI approval on October 6, 2010. Upon final approval by DOT and completion of an open skies agreement between the United States and Japan, the three carriers intend to begin implementation of their joint venture in spring 2011. The carriers intend to jointly develop flight schedules and sales activities. As a result, those customers traveling between the Americas and Asia will enjoy a more convenient flight schedule with a wider range of fare and product options.
12:15pm EDT
United Airlines, Continental Airlines and All Nippon Airways Cp., Ltd announced that they were granted antitrust immunity (ATI) by the Japanese Minister of Land, Infrastructure, Transportation and Tourism, in accordance with the Civil Aeronautics Act, enabling the carriers to establish a joint venture and to combine their trans-Pacific networks. The U.S. Dept. of Transportation granted United, Continental and ANA tentative ATI approval on October 6, 2010. Upon final approval by DOT and completion of an open skies agreement between the United States and Japan, the three carriers intend to begin implementation of their joint venture in spring 2011. The carriers intend to jointly develop flight schedules and sales activities. As a result, those customers traveling between the Americas and Asia will enjoy a more convenient flight schedule with a wider range of fare and product options.
10-22-2010, 10:05 AM
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I understand the JV thing but a couple of weeks ago American announced a JV with British Airways...i believe...and in the article it said it was causing American to recall 800 employees of which 250 were pilots. They made it sound like the JV caused the recall.
What are the positives that a JV can have regarding recalls. I was not expecting that JV to cause recalls at American.
What are the positives that a JV can have regarding recalls. I was not expecting that JV to cause recalls at American.
10-22-2010, 10:23 AM
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10-22-2010, 10:33 AM
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Though it seems as if we're beating it to death, this can't be said enough. I'm on the outside looking in, but if I'm recalled and can vote, section 1 will be the main deciding factor for me. I've lost my job because section 1 was weak. I would only be able to sleep at night if I voted appropriately for a proper section 1. That said, I won't say what that entails, the Joint negotiators are speaking for me at the moment, and until they're done, I will not be talking specifics, but any schmuck can read between the lines.
10-22-2010, 10:35 AM
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I understand the JV thing but a couple of weeks ago American announced a JV with British Airways...i believe...and in the article it said it was causing American to recall 800 employees of which 250 were pilots. They made it sound like the JV caused the recall.
What are the positives that a JV can have regarding recalls. I was not expecting that JV to cause recalls at American.
What are the positives that a JV can have regarding recalls. I was not expecting that JV to cause recalls at American.
The point is a solid scope section is paramount in keeping UAL pilots flying in the international arena and to prevent whipsawing against offshore labor.
10-22-2010, 10:55 AM
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Remember.....SCOPE is much 'bigger' than just regional feed flying RJ's, it's ALL ENCOMPASSING against any type of Outsourcing.
FWIW.....DO NOT be "blinded by the bling" in ANY future T/A that comes our way.....SCOPE FIRST.
10-22-2010, 11:51 AM
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10-24-2010, 08:36 AM
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To ANYONE on the old CAL side that does NOT see this as being a MAJOR threat to our job-protection......all you have to do is look at AerLingus running IAD-MAD. That route was clearly a 'shot across the bow' by UAL's Old Mgt to see what they could/can get away with. Will it happen?? It ALREADY is.
Remember.....SCOPE is much 'bigger' than just regional feed flying RJ's, it's ALL ENCOMPASSING against any type of Outsourcing.
FWIW.....DO NOT be "blinded by the bling" in ANY future T/A that comes our way.....SCOPE FIRST.
Remember.....SCOPE is much 'bigger' than just regional feed flying RJ's, it's ALL ENCOMPASSING against any type of Outsourcing.
FWIW.....DO NOT be "blinded by the bling" in ANY future T/A that comes our way.....SCOPE FIRST.
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You are spot on. The only "benefit" of the JV activity is the old "senior-centric" approach to negotiations won't work anymore. They (mgmt) are now attacking the WB side of the list.
Section 1 of the JCBA has to be retrenched to regain flying if any active pilots want security and if any pilots hoping for furlough recall will see that happen.
All need to realize that Section 1 recovery will cost some "bling" when all is said and done.
A bigger raise in the end game means nothing if the airline stays stagnate or shrinks. Those left end up at best staying at their current position or perhaps bump lower in the case of more outsourcing.
Lee
