Special Magenta Line – ALPA 43rd Biennial BOD
10-19-2010, 06:04 PM
#31
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Really? I don't know which CLE rep you refer to, but I don't see that relevant to the conversation. If you think the IAH reps working the back door channels with UAL while undermining our own MEC in order to secure position(s) on the new MEC is representing the CAL pilots, I'd hate to have you as a defense attorney. They are absolutely not representing the interests of CAL pilots.
I spread the word to help get those two elected and I am disappointed in their actions.
I spread the word to help get those two elected and I am disappointed in their actions.
Secure positions on the new UAL MEC? Explain where you are getting this from.
I smell rats...the rats names are Pierce, Moratta, Baron and Cook. They will be the demise of this pilot group, not the IAH reps.
One last thing....have you called these reps to get their side of what is happening? I have. If you haven't, I suggest you call them.
10-20-2010, 08:14 AM
#32
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Not hurt us? are you kidding me? A sex scandal, hotel abuse allegations and the second trip loss scam in less than a decade???!!!!!
This circus is a union busting manager's dream come true. I just hope we can get a JCBA offer on the table and single carrier status approval, sooner than some idiot (or a team of idiots) launch(es) a credible, well executed, decertification effort.
This circus is a union busting manager's dream come true. I just hope we can get a JCBA offer on the table and single carrier status approval, sooner than some idiot (or a team of idiots) launch(es) a credible, well executed, decertification effort.
10-20-2010, 08:21 AM
#33
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Trip loss scam? Oh, Please! What they did was approved by Pierce. Once again, did you personlly call them and ask what they did?
If anything, the IAH reps along with one CLE rep are the only ones I would trust. The are truly representing the CAL pilots.
10-20-2010, 08:27 AM
#34
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I smell rats...the rats names are Pierce, Moratta, Baron and Cook. They will be the demise of this pilot group, not the IAH reps.
One last thing....have you called these reps to get their side of what is happening? I have. If you haven't, I suggest you call them.
10-21-2010, 07:52 PM
#35
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It all depends on what the 171 LEC reps were telling UALALPA. Were they giving away SLI strategy from our MC? Then, yes I agree that has the potential to harm CAL pilots, but I think the whole scenario is doubtful. As far as undercutting Pierce from getting a national position, I don't think that has a tangible effect on our QOL. Decert over this? Unlikely.
out of Pierce, then a trip to management. ALPA is a worthless political operation.
10-21-2010, 07:55 PM
#36
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Instead of me answering your questions, I will wait for the upcoming explanation. How about you? Will you wait for the explanation and then form your opinion? I never go off half cocked without all the facts. Time you try the same thing.
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10-21-2010, 09:16 PM
#37
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Do you know what they are talking about? Are they really talking to pilots at UAL? Potential harm? What proof do you have? Are you basing your opinion on what Pierce ( a proven management wannabe), Baron, a trade unionist? That's a real joke. As far as Pierce seeking national office, he said he wouldn't. Why all of a sudden did he change his mind? I'm more concerned with his actions after he lost the election. He has no where to go but to the line or management. Expect another substandard contract
out of Pierce, then a trip to management. ALPA is a worthless political operation.
out of Pierce, then a trip to management. ALPA is a worthless political operation.
Problem is we are never going to get the truth. Both IAH CA & FO reps will never tell, Jay will never tell and if the "facts" were to actually come out, they will be done in closed session. The problem I see is perception. Perception about moral, ethics, and who these people actually represent. At the least, IMO, both the IAH CA & FO reps should step down.
10-22-2010, 04:35 AM
#38
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As far as Pierce seeking national office, he said he wouldn't.
10-22-2010, 04:42 AM
#39
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Skybo, this forum isn't a deliberative body. Yes, I think the 171 reps are owed due process. However, the reality is they aren't putting their story out and I've been hearing about this since before it went public. My gut, along with the evidence so far, tells me the 171 reps have "gone rogue" at an inopportune time and the FO rep has violated the intent, if not the letter of the trip loss policy. Do we really need to go down that road again?
10-22-2010, 04:50 AM
#40
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What was/is the point of this election?
If you want a strong, national union then you pick the best person, period. From whatever airline.
If your idea is that your MEC only vote for the people from your own company, no matter what the qualifications of the other candidates, the you will NEVER have a strong, national union.
If you want a strong, national union then you pick the best person, period. From whatever airline.
If your idea is that your MEC only vote for the people from your own company, no matter what the qualifications of the other candidates, the you will NEVER have a strong, national union.
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