ewrbasedpilot

I agree with you 100%. I guess it's the same as Meg Whitman spending over $140 MILLION on her campaign in California. Is that power REALLY worth spending (wasting) that kind of money? Incredible, absolutely incredible.

SUPERfluf

It appears the heart of the issue is that the IAH reps did not support the MEC chair as the VP.
Since then, rumors, innuendos, speculation and out right lies have been directed towards them and about them by those who are ****ed off that the MEC chair. did not win the election.

So then the question is; Who do you agree with? Those reps who supported the MEC chair's run for nat.VP after he re-niged on his commitment to stay until the JCBA & SLI were done or the reps who decided that the risks of having an untrustworthy nat. VP were greater than the reward of having someone from "our" airline?

Who's tactics and principals do you agree with?
Who is slinging the mud in public?

Do we want reps who will call a spade a spade or do we want them to compromise their principals for the sake of "unity"?

chuckyt1

Normally I want the rep who calls a spade a spade however, right now I believe we need to show a unified front at all costs. Keep the infighting in house. Mud slinging in public is still mud slinging, no matter who is doing it.

Management must be laughing at what they are reading here...

For the record I believe the line pilot is still unified and ready to fight, (Both UAL and CAL). I just hope that those we have elected to fight for us still feel the same way.

XHooker

Superfluf, in "normal" times, I might agree with you about a reps right, even responsibility to disagree in public. The problem is these are not normal times we've got issues before us that can adversely impact the CAL pilots. I didn't care for Jason's chest thumping about CAL in the prior ML, but I believe there was a lot of truth in what he said. He just shouldn't have said it in a public venue.

As far as the "... rumors, innuendos, speculation and out right lies..." against the IAH reps, I've now heard six credible accounts from people in positions to know that back up the accusations against the IAH reps, and the reasonable speculation goes beyond merely a lack of support for Pierce for an ALPA VP position, and involves undercutting CALALPA, and therefore you and I. Long term, I don't think it'll really matter, but it still reflects poorly on the IAH reps.

SUPERfluf

I may not have been clear. I think the public mud slinging is inexcusable. A statement of the facts and why they chose to vote the way they did and support or not support the issues/candidates is the most that we should see on a blastmail.

As far as who to believe? I am undecided. Both sides have credibility issues.

The MEC chair is a talented politician and is good at political maneuvering, deception and the seeding of innuendo.
He was one of Ornstein's boys and has quite the questionable and checkered past. This move for national despite his promise was predicted by more than a few that know him well and have seen him in action for a long time. A commitment is a commitment. Needing the money to maintain a certain lifestyle through a family crisis is not a credible excuse.

The IAH reps have a big black mark in my book as well. The breaking of the most sacred commitment a man or woman can make gives me great pause and makes me question their trustworthiness.

The question I'm asking myself is which story is more plausible?
The MEC chair playing dirty politics in seeking the higher paying office and revenge for it being thwarted?
Or the IAH FO rep seeking to become the joint MEC vice chair in the future?
Which players have a history of going along to get along, a which have the history of refusing to compromise with the good old boys club?

I don't know.

Andy

Nice. Please kick your dog and beat your wife while you're at it.

XHooker

I agree the public mudslinging makes all of us look bad, but you've got to inform their constituents in IAH about their inexplicable behavior in aligning themselves with UALALPA.

I agree Pierce has a credibility issue and needs to go in March. However, every elected and unelected union official I've heard tells the same story about the IAH reps. They need to go now.

Long story short, I don't really think this episode will hurt us since there are a number of layers that protect the CAL and UAL pilots until we are all UAL, but this circus act certainly can't help in any way.

Captain Bligh

Not hurt us? are you kidding me? A sex scandal, hotel abuse allegations and the second trip loss scam in less than a decade???!!!!!

This circus is a union busting manager's dream come true. I just hope we can get a JCBA offer on the table and single carrier status approval, sooner than some idiot (or a team of idiots) launch(es) a credible, well executed, decertification effort.

Skybo

Sex scandal??? What they do in their personal time is just that, personal. Get over it.

Hotel abuse? Please tell us what this is all about. Did you ask them about this?

Trip loss scam? Oh, Please! What they did was approved by Pierce. Once again, did you personlly call them and ask what they did?

If anything, the IAH reps along with one CLE rep are the only ones I would trust. The are truly representing the CAL pilots. The rest I would throw out with the trash. Take Jayson Baron for example....he quit his union job (SPSC), collected money for a funtion he didn't attend and wanted to pay the money back with flying after he was elected to Captain rep. That was a clear violation of trip loss. Then we have Doug Morotta, VC of CALALPA. I hear he lost his medical, but yet he is still the VC. The MEC passed a resolution letting him collect full time trip loss instead of LTD like the rest of us would get. Is that a violation? As far as I am concerned it is.

EWRflyr

Really? I don't know which CLE rep you refer to, but I don't see that relevant to the conversation. If you think the IAH reps working the back door channels with UAL while undermining our own MEC in order to secure position(s) on the new MEC is representing the CAL pilots, I'd hate to have you as a defense attorney. They are absolutely not representing the interests of CAL pilots.

I spread the word to help get those two elected and I am disappointed in their actions.