oldmako

Calfo, I'm not trying to be a tool here on the Koom By Yah thread, so please consider that when you read my post. Honestly, I am not.

If you left a relatively high paying commuter Captain position or MIL position to go to UAL, and then,

You were furloughed during the worst economic period in the last 80 years, and,

You were unemployed to facilitate / expedite this merger and then

You then got a recall which placed you beneath guys who were hired long after you, and.....

Can you see where I'm going here?

When I can find the doc which points to the parking of the guppy fleet I will post it. If someone else has it, please add it.

"Going back to work much faster" doesn't cut it when you never would have been laid off in the first place had Tilton not planned this whole thing out in advance. It doesn't cut it when you got tossed under the bus to grease the skids.

I think (I was furloughed 2003-2005) that the guys who are currently chaffed would all feel the same way.

Seniority is sacrosanct in our industry. Getting stapled will be an injustice and I can't expect those furloughed to find comfort in potential "extraordinary" career expectations which may never come true. Just ask all the guys who were told to expect upgrade in three years at CAL, UAL, USAir, etc etc etc.

Sorry if I sound like a gigantic sphincter. That's not my intent. I'm just trying to illustrate how the UAL side feels. Hopefully we can share a few dozen frosties on an overnight in Maui sometime.

CALFO

Whomever ends up more senior, buys.

NavyAACAL

So the assumption always seems that guys hired at CAL where fresh off the street but some of us were also furloughed from “other” Legacy carriers and sought employment elsewhere instead of “waiting” it out…do we get special consideration?

oldmako

I didn't make that assumption and it wasn't implied. I'm sure that the quality of your new hires and ours have been identical over the last few years.

As far as waiting it out, not sure where you got that. Your seniority outside of CAL has no bearing on the SLI. Neither do my 13 years acquired prior to getting hired at UAL.

Koom By Yah!

Bluesky1

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NavyAACAL

I was trying to get across that once you are furlough you don't know what is going to happen. It's a gamble.

Fritzthepilot

Call the Ball,

You are correct. You don't know what is going to happen. Neither does the 25 year employee sitting in the left seat of a 400. But, both the Furloughed pilot and the whale Captain have invested time at brand X.

How about we go back to day one when a pilot was hired at a major. Were you told that you have won the lottery ticket? No one knows what is going to happen, furloughed or not

Fritz

scrapdog

Alright, I think I've rambled enough. And as I stated before, my knowledge of airline history is limited at best. You want to ask me about flying fighters in the AF, I can talk to you for hours on that...airline matters, not so much.

But I'll ask this one last question in all sincerity: if UAL "right-sized" for this merger back in 2008 (which of course Kellner at the time said no thanks), why would UAL get rid of the 737's? If UAL really was prepping for a merger, wouldn't they instead have gotten rid of their A319s and 320s? By keeping the 737's, we'd now have an all Boeing fleet with complete commonality.

Fritzthepilot

You'd have to ask Tilton, or those willing to testify. Parking 142 Fifi's would most definitely have taken mainline below the rj block hour cap. Airbuses fly transcons, Guppys don't. Guppys paid for, Buses not.

The Guppys were parked after CAL said no.

scrapdog

Copy all, thx.