Building Common Ground.
#41
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The one area where you may get hosed is widebody/narrowbody. UAL has a much greater ratio that CAL. CAL's pay structure, if adopted in the joint contract (SNB, LNB, WB) should make up for much of the difference.
Still, getting back to work two to three years faster, combined with the same pay on the 737 as you would have on the 757 is a much better deal than a UAL furlough had pre-merger.
I am not trying to flame or pick a fight, but is there something that I am missing here?
#42
I didn't know you worked in management or were on the BOD. It must be nice knowing exactly what goes on behind closed doors. As a line pilot, I can only speculate - I don't have all the factual data you must have.
#43
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The primary reason the 737 went away was to 'right size' UAL for a merger. That is reality. Granted that's not got anything to do with CAL pilots, but I very much doubt we would have seen so many furloughs had it not been for this fact. So how do you recall someone 2 to 3 years earlier due to this merger that never would have been on furlough in the first place had this merger not been intended? You're certainly entitled to your opinion, and the seniority integration is going to happen how it's going to happen irrespective of anyone's opinions or feelings, just please don't tell me how much this merger has benefited me or my brethren.
If I get stapled, will I feel hosed? You betcha, who wouldn't? But I also know whose responsible and it's not the CAL pilots.
If I get stapled, will I feel hosed? You betcha, who wouldn't? But I also know whose responsible and it's not the CAL pilots.
Last edited by SKMarz; 10-11-2010 at 01:24 PM.
#44
The primary reason the 737 went away was to 'right size' UAL for a merger. That is reality. Granted that's not got anything to do with CAL pilots, but I very much doubt we would have seen so many furloughs had it not been for this fact. So how do you recall someone 2 to 3 years earlier due to this merger that never would have been on furlough in the first place had this merger not been intended? You're certainly entitled to your opinion, and the seniority integration is going to happen how it's going to happen irrespective of anyone's opinion or feelings, just please don't tell me how lucky I am this merger has happened.
If I get stapled, will I feel hosed? You betcha, who wouldn't? But I also know whose responsible and it's not the CAL pilots.
If I get stapled, will I feel hosed? You betcha, who wouldn't? But I also know whose responsible and it's not the CAL pilots.
Talk about building common ground...
#46
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Furthermore, I wasn't the one who brought up the issue of seniority integration, and what should happen to the furloughees, you did. I guess we're OK unless I happen to write something you don't like. You're right, so much for building common ground.
#47
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Scrapdog,
A major component of building common ground is trying to understand where someone else is coming from. By any chance were you hired 2006 or 2007? If so, it goes a long way to help me understand why you are so intense about this issue. Truthfully, if the situation was reversed, I imagine I might feel exactly the same way and I don't blame you one bit. The question is, are you able to put yourself in someone else's shoes so you can understand the other side of the coin? Agreement is not required, but without understanding, there can be no common ground.
A major component of building common ground is trying to understand where someone else is coming from. By any chance were you hired 2006 or 2007? If so, it goes a long way to help me understand why you are so intense about this issue. Truthfully, if the situation was reversed, I imagine I might feel exactly the same way and I don't blame you one bit. The question is, are you able to put yourself in someone else's shoes so you can understand the other side of the coin? Agreement is not required, but without understanding, there can be no common ground.
#48
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By the way, it bothers me that Lee says "VOLUNTARY furlough" every time too. It doesn't matter for the SLI--you'll get your position back. It's like you're separating yourself from the rest of us goons who got shown the door. OK, you opened it yourself. Stop saying it now.
#49
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What I still don't understand is why you would be upset at being at potentially being at the bottom of the new UAL versus your previous position. You are going to get back to work much faster than had UAL not merged and you are going to progress at an extraordinary rate. With the amount of outsourcing going on at United (70 seat RJ's, AerLingus), who knows if you ever would have gotten back to work there.
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