indapit

Stand your ground on scope....every ALPA brother and sister is standing behind you.

contrail67

Sure is interesting that the article is off skynet now..last I checked it had been removed/ not one of the 5 stories you can click on...

I just wonder if this UAX mgt type had heard that the hammer is going to come down in negotiations and she typed up a UAX pump up letter without even thinking to try to "advertise" and save her position...it looked like desperation more than anything. And then the article comes down off skynet.

Tighten up that line on scope and give the United passengers what they deserve...United Pilots.

Lambourne

I agree with bringing the feed in house and I agree with the message. The only thing I would change is we need to stop making this JUST about the pilot jobs. This is jobs for FA's, CSR's, AMT's and all of the stations that we once served that have UAX service now. We need to be spreading the word that the passengers deserve United Employees. People with something at stake in your travel and we want to give the passengers the best possible service and the only way to guarantee that is to have United Employees doing the job.

Ultimately this puts the onus on us the employees to follow through with this great service we are telling everyone we are going to provide. So the pilots need to be pilots with an eye toward safety AND service. As much as guys belly ache they still have to win the passengers with service. Otherwise we sound like a bunch of wind bags ala Prater and company.

Being a pilot is more than moving the yoke. That is what you get with express and we need to raise the bar if we are going to get it back. I can't count the number of times I have ridden express without a PA from the cockpit or even turning the seat belt sign off. They seem to be disengaged and couldn't care if anyone is on board or not since they are paid per dept. We can't allow ourselves to act that way.

L

UAL T38 Phlyer

We should have an ALPA roadshow that touts the benefits of mainline-feed, and contrast that to UAX feed......

I saw the NewsUnreal spot to be aimed at ticket counter, gate agent, IT techs, and other non-flyers.

We can re-re-educate them.

EWRflyr

Don't dwell on that. The A350XWB order will be canceled before one frame is delivered and Boeing will get more firm 787 orders to take their place.

Do appreciate support from the other groups. The mechanics seem to understand it pretty easily, but most of the FAs I talk with need to be "educated" as to the value of CAL's scope clause. They don't seem to understand, initially, that our scope clause keeps their jobs as well. It is amazing to see the light bulb go on when I explain the ripple effect it would have if we allow 70-110 seat airplanes to be contracted out to other carriers: fewer airplanes = fewer pilots = fewer flight attendants = fewer mechanics = fewer agents = fewer dispatchers = fewer schedulers.

Many of the CAL employees still have their jobs BECAUSE of the scope clause in the pilot contract, yet management has done a good job of making us look like we are just greedy and pitting other work groups against us. We do all the work (i.e. scope negotiations) and this is the thanks we get? Thankfully though I am beginning to see a change because of this merger and other employees are seeing the true value of scope.

strfyr51

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You're going to EDUCATE the Flight Attendants?? Good LUCK!!

Fritzthepilot

The 350's are coming.

strfyr51

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well,
Now it's United's turn, United was really in Cozy with Air Wisconsin, Built the Ord Termnal 1 Extension Gates B26-B29 for them and when their contract came up they stated they were going to fly for American off the Uited Terminal 1 gates.( whereupon United bought them out and cut them up like "Swiss Cheese") They were really cozy with Atlantic Coast / Insependence Air when a downturn hit and they needed to reduce costs. Atlantic coast told United they were Leaving and they intended to KEEP flying the slots from IAD into ORD that United had asigned them. That came to a screeching HALT when United told them those were OUR slots and we're taking them BACK.. You or anybody Else can say what you like but unless UNITED has UNITED PILOTS flying Regional slots that's the ONLY way there will be an "OWNED" regional in house. I do NOT doubt if the combined ALPA group negotiated a salary rate for regional flying bottom to TOP and makes UAL an offer "they can't refuse" they Could bring that flying in house because they SHOULD bring that flying back in house.
But the Hard part will be negotiating a respectable rate in my opinion. Something that's going to take "Moxie" to bring about. Some $$ from the TOP is going to have to go to the Bottom to make the deal happen, AND to get the best regional pilots available who will NOT only be good "Stick and Rudder" Guys but Good ALPA members as well. With the possibility of new Hour and Qualification limits looming ALPA will be in a good position to put forth their aims atarting with the 1100+ pilots already on furlough and other former Major airline pilots still on the street.

EWRflyr

Only on the issue of scope, but in other areas it's pretty much a lost cause.