CAL System Bid
09-03-2010, 06:32 AM
#11
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Please show me where the company "always said there was going to be 180 vacancies" on this bid. The only place I ever heard (not read) is from other pilots in the crewrooms or the flight deck. Many times I heard other pilots say, "well the latest I heard in the training center was around 180 positions." Everyone knows how unreliable 98% of the information is that comes out of the training center in IAH. Never once have I seen or heard a company person give a number. We all know why: because Marketing (and In-Flight) runs this company, not Flight Operations. Talking with union people the only thing they have said was that we "expect" this bid will show enough vacancies to recall our furloughed pilots and maybe do a little hiring.
09-03-2010, 08:50 AM
#12
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It looks to me like they won't really be backfilling the 787 positions. This bid is probably just to get a training plan started for who's-who on the 78 and recalls/COLA returns.
They're going to train the 787 guys starting in the spring and then send them back to their previous aircraft until the deliveries arrive in the 3rd qtr. (at the earliest) So its my guess that the recalls will bolster the staffing on the current fleet types (since recalls are supposed to start training in Nov.) and they'll use the spring 2011 system bid to actually back fill the 787 vacancies.
Another reason for the lower number of vacancies on this bid is the cancellation of the furlough mitigation LOA. There were around 60 leaves of absence, 60 reduced flying awards and an estimate of 100 furloughs saved by the scheduling changes of the LOA. Now that it will no longer be in effect, that will 'count' for another 150-ish vacancies filled.
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09-04-2010, 06:51 AM
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Another reason for the lower number of vacancies on this bid is the cancellation of the furlough mitigation LOA. There were around 60 leaves of absence, 60 reduced flying awards and an estimate of 100 furloughs saved by the scheduling changes of the LOA. Now that it will no longer be in effect, that will 'count' for another 150-ish vacancies filled.
The reduced flying portion of the LOA ended at the completion of the March 2010 bid month. Both the original 18-month RF (Oct 2008 - Mar 2010) and the 6-month RF (Oct 2009- Mar 2010) offered last summer have ended. These positions were already taken into account with the last bid in May.
09-05-2010, 07:15 AM
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Please show me where the company "always said there was going to be 180 vacancies" on this bid. The only place I ever heard (not read) is from other pilots in the crewrooms or the flight deck. Many times I heard other pilots say, "well the latest I heard in the training center was around 180 positions." Everyone knows how unreliable 98% of the information is that comes out of the training center in IAH. Never once have I seen or heard a company person give a number. We all know why: because Marketing (and In-Flight) runs this company, not Flight Operations. Talking with union people the only thing they have said was that we "expect" this bid will show enough vacancies to recall our furloughed pilots and maybe do a little hiring.
09-05-2010, 09:42 AM
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That's probably the minimum amount of pilots that we need but CAL mgmt must cringe at having to pay UAL furloughees their last pay rate AND medical benefits for the first 6 months. So the bid was most likely delayed while they figured out how to make things work with 40 less pilots.
I think they will go as long as they possibly can without bringing on any additional pilots.
Even when we get a JCBA, I bet there will be target dates for the implementation of the work rules on the CAL side of the house so that they can stretch out the hiring required to make up for the staffing increase.
I think they will go as long as they possibly can without bringing on any additional pilots.
Even when we get a JCBA, I bet there will be target dates for the implementation of the work rules on the CAL side of the house so that they can stretch out the hiring required to make up for the staffing increase.
09-05-2010, 12:15 PM
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That one stays in the rumor mill for now. It"s definitely too coarse for consumption, at least at the moment! The furloughees have certainly been contacted lately but that was from the MEC and the company's furlough coordinators, and that was in reference to finding outside jobs...
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