Jcba Must Not Be Signed By October Deadline
09-07-2010, 04:39 PM
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Now pilotgolfer,
Im not a pessimist, im not an optimist, im a realist
Most of the stuff in tha above post about fleets seems pretty plausible. Being and all boeing fleet really makes sense. But think to urself, where do the planes and pilots go once they start going away.
I dont think any ual furloughee from 07 hire will get back before 2012. I just dont. I feel and hear that most people are goig back asap to get on the list and be on property in case they get integrated more advantageously as opposed to if they werent.
I understand my realism appears to be pessimistic, but no i dont think the sky is falling- never said it and prob wont. But i willmgo as far as statng, no way we have a contract signed , sealed and delivered by the oct target date. I mean i can hope but i just dont see mgmt just rollng over and letting us screw them that easily.
Skippy
Im not a pessimist, im not an optimist, im a realist
Most of the stuff in tha above post about fleets seems pretty plausible. Being and all boeing fleet really makes sense. But think to urself, where do the planes and pilots go once they start going away.
I dont think any ual furloughee from 07 hire will get back before 2012. I just dont. I feel and hear that most people are goig back asap to get on the list and be on property in case they get integrated more advantageously as opposed to if they werent.
I understand my realism appears to be pessimistic, but no i dont think the sky is falling- never said it and prob wont. But i willmgo as far as statng, no way we have a contract signed , sealed and delivered by the oct target date. I mean i can hope but i just dont see mgmt just rollng over and letting us screw them that easily.
Skippy
09-07-2010, 04:57 PM
#42
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Now pilotgolfer,
Im not a pessimist, im not an optimist, im a realist
Most of the stuff in tha above post about fleets seems pretty plausible. Being and all boeing fleet really makes sense. But think to urself, where do the planes and pilots go once they start going away.
I dont think any ual furloughee from 07 hire will get back before 2012. I just dont. I feel and hear that most people are goig back asap to get on the list and be on property in case they get integrated more advantageously as opposed to if they werent.
I understand my realism appears to be pessimistic, but no i dont think the sky is falling- never said it and prob wont. But i willmgo as far as statng, no way we have a contract signed , sealed and delivered by the oct target date. I mean i can hope but i just dont see mgmt just rollng over and letting us screw them that easily.
Skippy
Im not a pessimist, im not an optimist, im a realist
Most of the stuff in tha above post about fleets seems pretty plausible. Being and all boeing fleet really makes sense. But think to urself, where do the planes and pilots go once they start going away.
I dont think any ual furloughee from 07 hire will get back before 2012. I just dont. I feel and hear that most people are goig back asap to get on the list and be on property in case they get integrated more advantageously as opposed to if they werent.
I understand my realism appears to be pessimistic, but no i dont think the sky is falling- never said it and prob wont. But i willmgo as far as statng, no way we have a contract signed , sealed and delivered by the oct target date. I mean i can hope but i just dont see mgmt just rollng over and letting us screw them that easily.
Skippy
09-07-2010, 05:27 PM
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...Now the compensation numbers are rising and will continue to rise as news continues to leak of UCAL's business plan going forward. (This is too big an animal to keep under a hat). That is why they are so desperate to wrap this up ASAP. They are under enormous pressure. We've gone from 25% to 30. And now the target is 40% with a restoration of contract 2000 wages by the conclusion of the contract 2015. Stay tuned.
where is your source placed?
09-07-2010, 06:26 PM
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UAL +40. Work rule restoration alone brings back all furloughees that want to come back. Estimates are 60%, about 700 pilots, after a couple of hundred resignations. The company is dangling that carrot very cleverly, contingent upon ALPA agreeing to the October deadline. The reality is that recalls will begin in November, reagrdless.
09-07-2010, 07:26 PM
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UAL +40. Work rule restoration alone brings back all furloughees that want to come back. Estimates are 60%, about 700 pilots, after a couple of hundred resignations. The company is dangling that carrot very cleverly, contingent upon ALPA agreeing to the October deadline. The reality is that recalls will begin in November, reagrdless.
Are you postulating, or do you have a source? Who is providing these "estimates?" You imply that you have a seat at the table by stating the company is dangling a carrot.
I'm a two timer and consider myself more informed than most. I think odds are you don't have a seat at the table and you post this to boost your sense of self importance.
09-07-2010, 08:41 PM
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09-08-2010, 05:06 AM
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?????
OnceACap...
You lay out some interesting and somewhat plausible scenarios for the JCBA. Food for thought indeed, however, I think myself (like many others) can't help but wonder about the sources from which you base these projections.
I think what people mainly want to know is upon what foundation do you rest these assertions?
You lay out some interesting and somewhat plausible scenarios for the JCBA. Food for thought indeed, however, I think myself (like many others) can't help but wonder about the sources from which you base these projections.
I think what people mainly want to know is upon what foundation do you rest these assertions?
09-08-2010, 02:46 PM
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UAL +40. Work rule restoration alone brings back all furloughees that want to come back. Estimates are 60%, about 700 pilots, after a couple of hundred resignations. The company is dangling that carrot very cleverly, contingent upon ALPA agreeing to the October deadline. The reality is that recalls will begin in November, reagrdless.
To accomplish what you say is being offered, wouldn't TK have to bring back PIs to handle the recall? November? Really? Where is that announcement?
Put down the crack pipe.
If you are a UA pilot, put your comments on the MEC forum. However, I doubt you are.
Lee
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09-08-2010, 03:55 PM
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Whoever you are.
To accomplish what you say is being offered, wouldn't TK have to bring back PIs to handle the recall? November? Really? Where is that announcement?
Put down the crack pipe.
If you are a UA pilot, put your comments on the MEC forum. However, I doubt you are.
Lee
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To accomplish what you say is being offered, wouldn't TK have to bring back PIs to handle the recall? November? Really? Where is that announcement?
Put down the crack pipe.
If you are a UA pilot, put your comments on the MEC forum. However, I doubt you are.
Lee
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Won't happen... There's no anonymity there. There is more keyboard bravado there than you would think - having to use your real name and all..
I just read a paper in the Air & Space Power Journal that mentioned your school. I hadn't followed the pre-UPT requirements since my days in FSPOT at Hondo
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