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08-18-2010, 02:51 AM
#71
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Aug 2008
Position: 787 Captain
Posts: 1,512
Yes, I am a Vietnam Veteran and did not serve in the reserves concurrent with Airline employment.
Please step off your exaulted soap box and know that the jig is up. You remind me of the cop in the Humphry Bogart movie Casablanca which took place in Algiers(I think) during WW2, who said "I'm shocked, at what you are saying"
YOU may not know of any abuses but most of the pilots who have to cover the MIL Leave sharpshooters know your strategy well. Clean up your act and fly straight and you will avoid cranks like me
Please step off your exaulted soap box and know that the jig is up. You remind me of the cop in the Humphry Bogart movie Casablanca which took place in Algiers(I think) during WW2, who said "I'm shocked, at what you are saying"
YOU may not know of any abuses but most of the pilots who have to cover the MIL Leave sharpshooters know your strategy well. Clean up your act and fly straight and you will avoid cranks like me
My soap box? Look krudawg, I'm not going to banter with you on this forum since you are firmly entrenched in your opinion. If you'd like to continue this 'discussion' on the UAL forum (where our posts have our actual names) them I'd be more than happy to do that. Honestly, it looks like you're so bent over this that you wouldn't mind signing your name! I do find it interesting that a Vietnam era pilot has CURRENT military reservists impacting them at UAL? Heck, I'm a senior Lt Col and I was born DURING Vietnam.Oh, and 'clean up my act and fly straight'? Sorry, but I don't need advice from a nameless avatar. You're a real charmer
08-18-2010, 10:21 AM
#73
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Joined APC: May 2010
Position: Left - Dodge Caravan
Posts: 357
I want to point out those serving in the reserves actually increase our staffing levels.
Having experienced flying for both reserves and airlines (only lasted a little over a year), I found it was very tough on the family and big hit to overall QOL. Two uniforms, aircraft types, commutes, schedules, jobs, and of course deployments. If there is some benefit to their airline schedule to make it work for them, then great!
If one of us has to work on a day we are on reserve, because they got it off - Well that is why we have reserve staffing. Will we start to get angry at those who get sick or injured as well?
All the best to those who can manage to do both, and hope you get as many breaks as possible!
SP
The story I found below is interesting;
In an experiment, two pigeons were placed in a cage. One of them was tethered to the back of the cage while the other was free to run about as it wished. Every 30 seconds, a hopper would provide a small amount of food. The free pigeon could reach the food but the tethered one could not, and the free pigeon happily ate all the food every time. After an hour or so of this, the hopper stops providing food. The free pigeon continues to check the hopper every 30 seconds, but when it's clear that the food isn't coming, it will go to the back of the cage and beat up the other pigeon. Now, the interesting thing is that the tethered pigeon has never eaten the food and the free pigeon has no reason to think the other is responsible for the food stopping. The frustration is irrational, but real nonetheless.
08-18-2010, 07:41 PM
#74
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jun 2010
Position: 747 Captain, retired
Posts: 928
I understand there is much frustration with QOL scheduling issues, but the gun sight is definitely on the wrong target. Lets put the heat where it belongs. It is way past time for some QOL improvements and added job security. I am hopeful for some big JCBA contract improvements.
I want to point out those serving in the reserves actually increase our staffing levels.
Having experienced flying for both reserves and airlines (only lasted a little over a year), I found it was very tough on the family and big hit to overall QOL. Two uniforms, aircraft types, commutes, schedules, jobs, and of course deployments. If there is some benefit to their airline schedule to make it work for them, then great!
If one of us has to work on a day we are on reserve, because they got it off - Well that is why we have reserve staffing. Will we start to get angry at those who get sick or injured as well?
All the best to those who can manage to do both, and hope you get as many breaks as possible!
SP
The story I found below is interesting;
I want to point out those serving in the reserves actually increase our staffing levels.
Having experienced flying for both reserves and airlines (only lasted a little over a year), I found it was very tough on the family and big hit to overall QOL. Two uniforms, aircraft types, commutes, schedules, jobs, and of course deployments. If there is some benefit to their airline schedule to make it work for them, then great!
If one of us has to work on a day we are on reserve, because they got it off - Well that is why we have reserve staffing. Will we start to get angry at those who get sick or injured as well?
All the best to those who can manage to do both, and hope you get as many breaks as possible!
SP
The story I found below is interesting;
In an experiment, two pigeons were placed in a cage. One of them was tethered to the back of the cage while the other was free to run about as it wished. Every 30 seconds, a hopper would provide a small amount of food. The free pigeon could reach the food but the tethered one could not, and the free pigeon happily ate all the food every time. After an hour or so of this, the hopper stops providing food. The free pigeon continues to check the hopper every 30 seconds, but when it's clear that the food isn't coming, it will go to the back of the cage and beat up the other pigeon. Now, the interesting thing is that the tethered pigeon has never eaten the food and the free pigeon has no reason to think the other is responsible for the food stopping. The frustration is irrational, but real nonetheless.
For all of us, who have fought wars for this great country, I salute you and want to say there is a special place in heaven for those of us who have stood in the fires of hell.
08-19-2010, 05:26 AM
#75
Keep Calm Chive ON
Joined APC: Feb 2008
Position: Boeing's Plastic Jet Button Pusher - 787
Posts: 2,086
08-19-2010, 06:42 AM
#76
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Joined APC: Apr 2007
Position: B777 Capt
Posts: 844
Easy solution to this problem. The airlines have seen the fraud and abuse of ML. Perhaps in the future they won't hire as many MIL pilots. With a large cache of qualified regional pilots already working in the airline world it would make sense. This will help reduce training time as MIL pilots have to learn a new way of flying. In effect all the abuse to the ML system that takes place today will make it harder on your buddies later. But then again you guys are an "army of one".
I do have one question. Heard a "reach" flight in euro airspace recently. Why do those guys sound ao panicked/scared on the radio? The octave level sounds like a crash is imminent.
L
I do have one question. Heard a "reach" flight in euro airspace recently. Why do those guys sound ao panicked/scared on the radio? The octave level sounds like a crash is imminent.
L
08-19-2010, 09:45 AM
#77
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Joined APC: May 2007
Position: A320 Captain
Posts: 1,982
a Reach callsign doesn't guarantee that its a military flight... i.e a C-17, C-5, etc. It could have been Omni, Evergreen, Atlas or any number of different operators. But since you are a 767 Captain, you probably knew that.
08-19-2010, 09:46 AM
#78
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: May 2010
Position: Left - Dodge Caravan
Posts: 357
Easy solution to this problem. The airlines have seen the fraud and abuse of ML. Perhaps in the future they won't hire as many MIL pilots. With a large cache of qualified regional pilots already working in the airline world it would make sense. This will help reduce training time as MIL pilots have to learn a new way of flying. In effect all the abuse to the ML system that takes place today will make it harder on your buddies later. But then again you guys are an "army of one".
I do have one question. Heard a "reach" flight in euro airspace recently. Why do those guys sound ao panicked/scared on the radio? The octave level sounds like a crash is imminent.
L
I do have one question. Heard a "reach" flight in euro airspace recently. Why do those guys sound ao panicked/scared on the radio? The octave level sounds like a crash is imminent.
L
Not sure about the Reach guy's octave. You could always stop by the O'Club on a Weekend night and ask how they hit those panicky high notes. Never know they might show you how.
SP
08-19-2010, 09:53 AM
#79
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Joined APC: Jul 2009
Posts: 55
Easy solution to this problem. The airlines have seen the fraud and abuse of ML. Perhaps in the future they won't hire as many MIL pilots. With a large cache of qualified regional pilots already working in the airline world it would make sense. This will help reduce training time as MIL pilots have to learn a new way of flying. In effect all the abuse to the ML system that takes place today will make it harder on your buddies later. But then again you guys are an "army of one".
I do have one question. Heard a "reach" flight in euro airspace recently. Why do those guys sound ao panicked/scared on the radio? The octave level sounds like a crash is imminent.
L
I do have one question. Heard a "reach" flight in euro airspace recently. Why do those guys sound ao panicked/scared on the radio? The octave level sounds like a crash is imminent.
L
08-19-2010, 10:04 AM
#80
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Joined APC: Apr 2007
Position: B777 Capt
Posts: 844
It was a c-17. We passed overhead them at coast out.
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