SoCalGuy

Damn, sounds like a back alley mugging. There's one of MANY items that MUST change in any JCBA that comes from this merger.

As it was touched on earlier in the thread, CAL's short vs long (76hr vs 72hr) call reserve has different guarantees.....Is UAL's just a flat 70 for ANY type of reserve call?? Roughly, what's the average/ballpark that a narrow body (or even WB) reserve flys a month at UAL?? Are they getting some of that "90 hr love" too??

Airhoss

SCG,

It is a flat 70 hours no differential. Depending on your fleet and domicile some guys are sitting and getting paid guarantee and flying very little some are getting slammed. I've had dead months and slammers. More slammers when I was an A-320 capt now that I've been surplused back to a 757/767 F/O I am having a hard time making a living. I am trying to pick up and make time but there isn't much open.

SoCalGuy

Air....appreciate the info/insight.

Sorry to hear about the bump back, I too feel your on that topic as well. Again, let's just hope WE can fix this subpar type of work-rules on the JCBA at hand.

CA Jimenez

SCG,

At Continental; can you pick up trips that are in OPEN time while on reserve?

I got furloughed last October and I also had some months when I could pick up trips to about 80 hrs. but towards the end it was pretty hard picking and I flew mostly 50 to 60 hours.

pilotgolfer

Picked up open time right up until you were furloughed?? or did I misunderstand what you were saying?

SoCalGuy

Been awhile since I have been on reserve, but I'll take a stab.....

If I understand your question Jimenez....When you are on reserve at CAL ("A" or "B" aka short/long calls), there is something called an "Aggressive P/U Window". It's basically a 2 hr window the day before your reserve period (the short vs long call aggressive windows are separate times). It allows reserve pilots 'in a sense' p/u trips in open time that are going to be assigned to reserve pilots anyway. Basically gives a reserve pilot something to 'plan' around for the next day as opposed to being at the 'beckon call' waiting for scheduling to call on his reserve day. For the next day, if there's 4 trips w/ 4 reserves in the pool it allows a reserve (ie -one of the 4 in the pool) to pick his/her "posion" for the next day as opposed to having scheduling do it for them.

As far as picking up 'true' OT for a reserve on his/her day's off, not exactly sure. I think the reserve pilot can do so if he's legal in staying away from 30/7 or 32/7 as well as 7 day conflicts ect.....as long as he/she does NOT go below 8 days off a month, I do believe he/she is able to do so & that pay goes above his/hers guarantee. The minimum scheduled days off per month is still 12. AGAIN, the second part of the explanation is what I remember, been awhile since being on reserve. Hopefully any other CAL reserves who are a bit more 'up' on this can help out???

At CAL, there are presently 2 schools of thought about p/u "true" OT on Days off as CAL has 147 'on the street'.....personally, I don't do it.....but have seen others who see it fit to do so.....To each there own and that's an argument that has been beaten to death, so I wont go there

Hope that helps....

BTW....CAL's LEC 171 (IAH) just had an info Town Hall call in this afternoon. CA Bill Benson from UAL's LAX base was on the call. Very informative as to how UAL does business in things like training ect....good to hear the other CAMP's going-ons insight.

Airhoss

He already had a firm furlough date. Why wouldn't he try and put as much money in the bank as possible leading up to it?

757Driver

Kind of a chicken before the egg thing.

We don't pick-up open time PERIOD when there are furloughed Pilots. And by using the word WE, I'm referring to the Pilots who are informed Union members who care about the guys on the street. Unfortunately there are also quite a few who don't give a rats ass about anyone but themselves and no its not just our scabs.

Cruise

Sadly, this is true. I recently gave one of your very senior 777 FO's a ride to work. He was heading to EWR because he had picked up an open time trip. Not cool w/ guys on the street.

pilotgolfer

To each his own, I guess. But if he was furloughed last October, I could count about 800 pilots, give or take, who were furloughed already that might take issue with people picking up open time. It was very easy at United to get on the computer and see who was flying open time. And using..."I'm about to get furloughed anyways" generally wasn't a valid excuse.