New United assumes 70 seat plus scope
07-24-2010, 12:26 PM
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07-24-2010, 12:39 PM
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It's going to be tough since their closest competitor (Delta) has 76 seat scope. There is absolutely no way I see the new United getting scope at 50 seats. That's just too unrealistic in this industry.
My guess is scope will end up being 70 seat max. I could see a provision where the number of 70 seaters is based upon mainline airframes, at a formula that basically caps the number of 70 seaters around the current number of 70 seaters flying for United. Also something to allow the Q400's from Colgan to keep flying.
But it's still better than Delta's 76 seat scope. I see the new United contract being Delta + a little (in terms of money and scope). But not much, otherwise the new United won't be able to compete.
My guess is scope will end up being 70 seat max. I could see a provision where the number of 70 seaters is based upon mainline airframes, at a formula that basically caps the number of 70 seaters around the current number of 70 seaters flying for United. Also something to allow the Q400's from Colgan to keep flying.
But it's still better than Delta's 76 seat scope. I see the new United contract being Delta + a little (in terms of money and scope). But not much, otherwise the new United won't be able to compete.
07-24-2010, 12:41 PM
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You guys are reading way too far into this. Let me just say that "THERE IS ABSOLUTELY NO WAY SCOPE WILL BE RELAXED FOR THE MERGER..." Most of these issues were resolved well before the merger was announced. CAL is recalling only to furlough again? No, only UAL does that. Everyone can relax. Believe it or not, the JCBA will be complete by the fall with no scope relaxation and a pay scale everyone will be happy with. UAL furloughees will be recalled to the CAL side of the system. This has been the plan for a while. Believe it!
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07-24-2010, 12:47 PM
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Or they could just demand that all 70 and 90 seaters are flown by mainline pilots on a mainline list. The additional cost of mainline pilots would be negated by the ability to swap the right sized airplane onto the route, the competitive advantage of operating 90 seaters over deltas 76, and a happier work force. UAL went from 600 mainline airframes to 360 after scope was relaxed.... thanks but no thanks.
07-24-2010, 01:11 PM
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He who trades Scope for pay will eventually have neither.
I for one, do not see the UAL and CAL pilots budging one bit on Scope. A lot was taken in BK, some was given before BK- before most guys realized they were letting the Scope "Genie" out of the bottle. Now we all know better.
In BK the company was making demands of the pilots with the very real threat of a judicial hammer coming down on them. In the merger, it will be the Pilots who make demands of management with unprecedented clout.
The "suits" have to tailor everything they say depending on the audience - I wouldn't sweat their comments - if their lips are moving they are BS'ing.
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I for one, do not see the UAL and CAL pilots budging one bit on Scope. A lot was taken in BK, some was given before BK- before most guys realized they were letting the Scope "Genie" out of the bottle. Now we all know better.
In BK the company was making demands of the pilots with the very real threat of a judicial hammer coming down on them. In the merger, it will be the Pilots who make demands of management with unprecedented clout.
The "suits" have to tailor everything they say depending on the audience - I wouldn't sweat their comments - if their lips are moving they are BS'ing.
My 2 cents - Scoop
07-24-2010, 02:03 PM
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[QUOTE= I could see a provision where the number of 70 seaters is based upon mainline airframes, at a formula that basically caps the number of 70 seaters around the current number of 70 seaters flying for United. [/QUOTE]
If that ends up being the case it needs to be tied into Narrow Body Flying
If that ends up being the case it needs to be tied into Narrow Body Flying
07-24-2010, 02:11 PM
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My guess is scope will end up being 70 seat max. I could see a provision where the number of 70 seaters is based upon mainline airframes, at a formula that basically caps the number of 70 seaters around the current number of 70 seaters flying for United. Also something to allow the Q400's from Colgan to keep flying.
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07-24-2010, 02:13 PM
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Amazing how one iota over the next leading contract utterly prevents them from competing. You don't see Southwest parking planes and selling assets just to stay competitive.
Pilots need to worry about their bottom line. Management will worry about theirs.
Pilots need to worry about their bottom line. Management will worry about theirs.
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