DL or UA..? ATL v IAH
10-02-2024, 05:00 AM
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Is analyzing frowned upon at UA & blindly making decisions encouraged? Sure sounds like it from the feedback on this side.
Can’t imagine using the time you put into forums to yap nonsense, but clearly you get off on wasting your time here
Can’t imagine using the time you put into forums to yap nonsense, but clearly you get off on wasting your time here
10-02-2024, 05:38 AM
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Delta seems like the best option for you.
10-02-2024, 05:46 AM
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If Scott Kirby's dream comes true and United takes delivery of hundreds and hundreds of aircraft this decade, Delta is not going to hire thousands of pilots just because that's what United is doing. Obviously, Delta will consider United's strategy in forming their own business plan, but they're ultimately going to hire however many they need to hire to fly the planes they have. It goes without saying that hiring tons of pilots does nothing to "maintain equivalent market share" if you don't have airplanes for them to fly, and no airline is going to hire thousands just to sit around doing nothing in over to avoid being "dwarfed" by a rival.
10-02-2024, 06:14 AM
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10-02-2024, 06:50 AM
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On the topic of UA&DL, while I intend on taking this upcoming DL class, and am still awaiting the UA date..
I did some digging into UA Next growth plan, while very flashy and looks great, do yall think DL would ever truly let UA overshadow it pilot group wise?
So if UA became 20K group, I.E. delta would also become 20K size to match the competition & maintain equivalent market share? Just seems like a common business strat DL would have to do.
DL seems to be quiet about their growth plans outside of >1 year while UA is flashy & publicizes long-term plans.. just can’t imagine DL ever being dwarfed (+/- 1,000 pilots) by United or AA.
Has delta had a “Delta Next” equivalent growth plan in the past I’m unaware of? Or is DL poised for equivalent growth of UA just quiet about it?
I did some digging into UA Next growth plan, while very flashy and looks great, do yall think DL would ever truly let UA overshadow it pilot group wise?
So if UA became 20K group, I.E. delta would also become 20K size to match the competition & maintain equivalent market share? Just seems like a common business strat DL would have to do.
DL seems to be quiet about their growth plans outside of >1 year while UA is flashy & publicizes long-term plans.. just can’t imagine DL ever being dwarfed (+/- 1,000 pilots) by United or AA.
Has delta had a “Delta Next” equivalent growth plan in the past I’m unaware of? Or is DL poised for equivalent growth of UA just quiet about it?
10-02-2024, 09:30 AM
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Even Chicken Little doesn't think the sky is falling that fast!!! ZERO 737s???? I will bet what ever amount you want on that number and you will be paying me before the middle of Oct! We are still getting several 737s every month, just not getting several every week as was originally the plan (9-10 ish between Oct and Dec). Plus getting several 321s every month as well (9-10ish between Oct and Dec). Then we will get a bunch of 737s and 321s throughout 2025, again not at the rate originally promised, but still very impressive growth. We will get prob 2 787s before the end of the year (maybe 3) and an additional 9 by summer of 2025 (maybe summer's end). That pace is suppossed to keep up past the summer, but the 787 Boeing production site I look at doesn't go beyond summer of 2025 to show what the expected rate is.
So growth will be still be happening at what would normally be considered an unbelievable rate, just not as unbelievable as originally planned.
That being said, you always take the first job offered and go with that. Until UA actually gives you a class date, you do not have a decision to make! Near term pain of having to go to training twice in short order should not be even the smallest factor. Where you want to live should be the largest factor in this case, both airlines are doing extremely well right now and look to be well postioned going forward.
What will happen in the future is far too dependant on unknown factors.
As a guy at TWA told me, when he was getting hired in the mid/late 60s he had job offers from UA, AA, and TWA. It was the easiest decision he ever made...It was completely wrong... but it was the easiest decision he ever made!! If he had gotten an offer from PanAm, then it would have been a tougher decision.
So growth will be still be happening at what would normally be considered an unbelievable rate, just not as unbelievable as originally planned.
That being said, you always take the first job offered and go with that. Until UA actually gives you a class date, you do not have a decision to make! Near term pain of having to go to training twice in short order should not be even the smallest factor. Where you want to live should be the largest factor in this case, both airlines are doing extremely well right now and look to be well postioned going forward.
What will happen in the future is far too dependant on unknown factors.
As a guy at TWA told me, when he was getting hired in the mid/late 60s he had job offers from UA, AA, and TWA. It was the easiest decision he ever made...It was completely wrong... but it was the easiest decision he ever made!! If he had gotten an offer from PanAm, then it would have been a tougher decision.
United is getting zero 737 deliveries. ZERO until the labor dispute is resolved. Enjoy your delayed airbus deliveries (same issue DL is having)
United next is a pie in the sky dream that requires so many physical assets to be built on time (airports and planes) along with timing an unpredictable number of new hire pilots
I live in Vegas. The betting odds of United Next happening on time and as stated are about as good as our new roulette tables with a triple zero
10-02-2024, 10:05 AM
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As for infrastructure. LAX: T9 delayed. SFO: UA will eventually will add long planned 2nd Asia bank with same gates, moving flights into T2, renovating and adding gates to T1. DEN: UA added more gates in B concourse and took over half of the A concourse. IAH: UA gates are underutilized and adding more gates. ORD added more int'l gates, UA reconfigured T1 gates for more flexibility, building Satellite 1 concourse, then new T2 and then Satellite 2 concourse over the next decade. AA is shrinking at ORD. IAD is underutilized and approved new 14-gate terminal opening in 2026. EWR just opened new Terminal A and UA replacing regional flight with mainline aircraft even more than they are throughout the system. UA has a lot of underdeveloped domestic hubs and the two best int'l gateways, but yes 30K is ambitious to say the least.
Sure beats the old days of shrinking to profitability.
10-02-2024, 10:18 AM
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The only analyzing you need to do is in the mirror. You've gotten plenty of feedback on this airline's subforum that perhaps your attitude would be better accepted Else Where. That is all.
10-02-2024, 11:27 AM
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Thought the video you are referring to might be https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SiE_yL15tV4 but that doesn't talk about WB captain upgrade time.
Edit: found the video. It's https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L862YuBTM8U
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