Ni hao

WB was going to new hires 2021-2023 and now all the NB Captains are bidding back to the country club.

Just like that it's 10-20 years to hold WB FO now.

But seriously

NBCA is moving more senior as well (it was going to the company eightball, so it’s not like it could have moved any junior…).
I think part of what is happening is just that growth slowed juuuust enough for staffing to catch up.
Give it a minute, it’ll change again…

ropestart

I start class Aug 6th. Curious to see how many NB vacancies there will be. Not holding my breath for NH Capt.

82spukram

currently on the last snap shot SFO had 4 unfilled 737 CA. We will have another bid monthly as hiring ramps up to continue to make position for new hires and with Boeing max deliveries starting again and airbuses coming, and 787 deliveries should start to showing up regularly (unless Boeing messes up again) you will see things go junior again. This bid and probably the next will be a touch senior because everyone who thought I will bid it next bid just watched everything dry up and now they are jumping on the opportunity since it’s available again.

worstpilotever

You will be wondering which bunk i was in....and if you are in the same one.

ropestart

what are the odds of another Bus order at Farnborough Air show this month.

KnightNight

One vacancy isn’t reflective of a trend…there hasn’t been many widebody slots available so it’s going senior. I’m debating going NBCA from WB but can’t hold it this vacancy in my base despite there being lots of openings before that went unfilled. Doesn’t mean upgrade is suddenly very senior. The fall vacancies if anything will be more reflective on what the trend will be going forward

Voski

Exactly. Assuming the procted hiring continues for this year and airplane deliveries don't come to a hault again, there will likely be some sizable vacancies late summer / early fall in anticipation for Spring & Summer 2025 flying.

GoCats67

For a Captain seat, not looking like much. Official results sould come out over the weekend, but right now "just" 4 unfilled 737 Cap slots in SFO, nothing anywhere else.

For the First Officer seat, we have a bunch. From highest to lowest---

IAH 737 FO - 108 unfilled
ORD 737 FO - 100 unfilled
EWR 737 FO - 77 unfilled
IAH 320 FO - 22 unfilled
LAX 737 FO - 20 unfilled
ORD 320 FO - 19 unfilled
LAS 737 FO - 11 unfilled
SFO 320 FO - 8 unfilled
DEN 320 FO - 6 unfilled
DEN 737 FO - 3 unfilled ( a bunch of current folks taking this bid are 737 FOs currently at other domiciles and the company doesn't have to count them in the final bid, so this number could go way up)
SFO 3737 FO - 3 unfilled

The company has 120 days to use any unfilled assignment for New Hires and they have total discretion on the order in which they are used. So no gaurnatees, but in general the areas they have the greatest need are filled first, so guessing a bunch of 737 FO assignments coming with a few 320 FO as well.

Turbosina

I highly doubt there will be any NBCA vacancies since almost all of them are filled, and the company doesn't have to fill all unfilleds. For example on the bid that closed the day before I started class in April, they had a whole bunch of unfilled CA vacancies...but none of them were offered to any class including mine and the two classes thereafter. In talking with Manpower Planning they stated that unfilled vacancies can be left unfilled.

Looking at the latest snapshot, what we're seeing is a significant movement of recent new hires from the 3 bases that everyone got assigned to (IAH, EWR, and ORD) into the bases they really want. IAH, for example, is going to have 100+ unfilled spots as people (like me) bid out.

Also, since you can't do a lateral bid to another FO seat and simultaneously be awarded a future CA spot, we'll definitely see NBFOs bidding laterally to another base in this bid, and then bidding for CA in the next bid. This is the first bid in a few months to have significant NB movement. Me, for example, I'm an IAH FO who could easily hold an SFO CA bid, but I'm bidding SFO FO just so I can get home based ASAP...and then in the next bid I'll try to get SFO CA. I think the next vacancy bid will see a lot of that, just from talking to my classmates.

Ultimately though it doesn't make a huge difference if you get CA as a new hire, because you still have to complete probation and fly 500 hrs here before you go to upgrade training. You do get CA pay earlier (350 vs 500) which is nice. But it is highly doubtful you'll see any CA spots being offered in Indoc for quite a while yet.

Of course, I'm super new here, so this advice is worth about as much as you paid for it